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17 hours ago, Sparkles said:

The tax refund I process through the Hang Dong Amphur tax department.

If you don't already have one I suggest you go back to them, get your Tax number card, give that to your bank where your savings are and they should pay you your interest in full without taking the tax in future.

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25 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

If you don't already have one I suggest you go back to them, get your Tax number card, give that to your bank where your savings are and they should pay you your interest in full without taking the tax in future.

I mentioned that originally at my Bangkok Bank and the Amphur Office but that was a no go at the time. It was suggested recently that the Gov/Tax Dept prefer funds going through the Krungthai Bank.

Its no big deal for me just a trip close to where we live but thanks for tip

 

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CM IMMIGRATION VISIT 7NOV2019

 

Today (Thursday afternoon) I visited Chiang Mai Immigration to gather more specific information in part to gather some information about requirements and documentation. I will post further information separately by type of visa. 

 

Today, in the late afternoon, the CM Office reported visitors as follows:

 

Today 1100+

Yesterday  1800+

This Week 10,856+

This Month  16,300+

 

Yes, it was busy at 15:00 on.  Near to closing the following queue call numbers were posted:

 

N     195

O        9  (Transfer)

S       93

T       84

RE     58  (Re-Entry)

R       (Retirement) All done for the day.  Do not know the daily quota, but there is a limit. 

 

A few codes that I recognize are noted. Some others can fill in the gaps.  Lots of 90-Day Reports and Visa extensions, I expect.  TM30s are done on the 3d floor, not handled in the main office.

 

Informally, the office was very active, if not evenly so for all needs.  The Information Desk was very busy, sometimes assisted by the commanding officer (an older woman) but usually staffed by three others (plus an intern).  One very experienced older officer fielded the most difficult questions.  He is the chief of the desk routinely.  Two more assistants were reasonably helpful but could not answer all questions.

 

Informally, listening in at the Information Desk revealed all sorts of fascinating situations and questions.  The officers sure have to field a broad variety of inquiries and problems!

 

As stated previously on this thread, the time of day, the day of the week, and days just prior to and immediately following holidays need to be considered before visiting.  Mornings tend to be busier, etc, etc. The season also matters.  This is the beginning of what is generally known as the "busy season" complicated by Loy Khratong and on the cusp of the WInter season.

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Many thanks for your above report😀 

IMO.  Status quao remains

from posts  on TV .and my  own investigations etc etc

Your Grand Fathering comments  (2nd paragraph) on

retirement extensions is correct.  as no change  Or police order has been issued( requiring medical insurance)

til this point of time.

Business as usual for Retirement Extensions who hold current Non O visa is my summing up.

 

 

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Anwa, no health insurance requirement with a NON-O (TGIA List or otherwise) as I understand it and confirmed by Chiang Mai Immigration. A NON-O may be granted abroad or by conversion from a tourist visa in Chiang Mai (at least 21 days remaining in its validity) in Chiang Mai). I will post the CM Immigration requirements (effective 7 November) soon.

 

I believe your AIA insurance is probably fine  on its own (and smart to have). You might double-check with your agent.

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NON-O VISAS AND EXTENSIONS OF STAY (EFFECTIVE 1 NOV2019) IN CHIANG MAI

 

A NON-O visa may be obtained abroad or in Chiang Mai by conversion from a 60-Day tourist visa (obtained abroad).  For criteria abroad check the consulate where you wish to apply.  For Chiang Mai, the procedure and documents required are attached. This information was obtained from CM Immigration on 7 NOV 19.  It was previous amended (in ink) by CM Immigration and, I believe in reading it, has been followed by officers for some time.  For any further information, I suggest you contact CM Immigration directly or an agent, if that is your (expensive) preference.

 

I am guessing that any extension of permission to stay done thereafter would follow the same criteria currently used for an extension generated from a NON-OA visa, but without any health insurance requirement. That can be learned at the time of the conversion.NON-O Conversion Retirement 11:19.pdf

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HOT NEWS!!

 

TGIA GUIDELINES POSTED VERY RECENTLY AND GUIDANCE FROM THE US CONSULATE THAILAND

 

Heretofore there has been an onerous requirement regarding the eligibility of foreign-based (non-TGIA-listed) companies to cover the health insurance requirement.  Here's the good news:
 

https://longstay.tgia.org/home/guidelineoa

 

[See the long-stay TGIA web site for Thai companies listed]

 

The GOOD news for many is that valid health insurance underwritten by a foreign company satisfying coverage minimums is acceptable for up to one year.  After that, insurance must by purchased from a TGIA-listed company.

 

There does not seem to be any information available as to what constitutes appropriate documentation.  This might depend on CM Immigration rules.  My unconfirmed guess is that a certificate of insurance noting satisfactory 40IP/400OP minimums for the period needed would be sufficient.

 

There have been reports elsewhere that some Immigration offices are also accepting such coverage but only permitting stay in Thailand up to the expiration date of the policy in hand after which it would seem that a TGIA-listed accredited company policy must be presented in order to stay.  in Thailand.

 

Further good news is that a spouse not old enough (50 years of age) for a will be considered for temporary stay under Category “O” visa. This does not require health insurance. Marriage license required.

 

As of this date, there are only 12 accredited companies listed on the TGIA site.  Two of the 14 companies apparently accredited [See list posted above] have not yet been listed.  Furthermore, there are numerous posts made on many media that the Thai Insurance companies are generally poorly geared up to sell policies and some are seriously deficient in the English language.  Anyone want to guess how many of such policies will have a legally-binding English translation?! 

 

Also note age limits to qualify for initial coverage and for renewability.

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38 minutes ago, Mapguy said:

HOT NEWS!!

 

TGIA GUIDELINES POSTED VERY RECENTLY AND GUIDANCE FROM THE US CONSULATE THAILAND

 

Heretofore there has been an onerous requirement regarding the eligibility of foreign-based (non-TGIA-listed) companies to cover the health insurance requirement.  Here's the good news:
 

https://longstay.tgia.org/home/guidelineoa

 

[See the long-stay TGIA web site for Thai companies listed]

 

The GOOD news for many is that valid health insurance underwritten by a foreign company satisfying coverage minimums is acceptable for up to one year.  After that, insurance must by purchased from a TGIA-listed company.

 

There does not seem to be any information available as to what constitutes appropriate documentation.  This might depend on CM Immigration rules.  My unconfirmed guess is that a certificate of insurance noting satisfactory 40OP/400IP minimums for the period needed would be sufficient.

 

There have been reports elsewhere that some Immigration offices (and ports of entry) are also accepting such coverage but only permitting stay in Thailand up to the expiration date of the policy in hand after which it would seem that a TGIA-listed accredited company policy must be presented in order to stay in Thailand.  There have also been reports that expatriates arriving from overseas are also being allowed on the spot at Immigration to purchase TGIA-listed policies at Suvarnabhumi Airport.  How that would be practical is anyone's guess!

 

Further good news is that a spouse not old enough (50 years of age) for retirement will be considered for temporary stay under Category “O” requirements. This does not require health insurance. Marriage license required.  Other dependents are not yet mentioned.

 

As of this date, there are only 12 accredited companies listed on the TGIA site.  Two of the 14 companies apparently accredited [See list posted above] have not yet been listed.  Furthermore, there are numerous posts made on many media that the Thai Insurance companies are generally poorly geared up to sell policies and some are seriously deficient in the English language.  Anyone want to guess how many of such policies will have a legally-binding English translation?! 

 

Also note age limits to qualify for initial coverage and for renewability.

 

I do not know if the attached form is necessary from a foreign-held insurance company.  Seems impractical.

 

overseas_insurance_certificate.pdf

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Late edit to Post 1230 above with additional information:

 

 

Further information:

 

 

On 11/8/2019 at 4:21 PM, Sheryl said:

US citizens:

 

As mentioned I emailed the Embassy and much to my pleasant surprised received a very prompt response as follows:

 

"Sheryl,

 

 

Thank you very much for your email and this on-the-ground perspective.  Over the past six months, we have been engaging the Royal Thai government (RTG) to attempt to ensure that U.S. health insurance policies can be used to satisfy the new immigration requirement for health insurance for foreign retirees.  This advocacy was done by official Diplomatic Note, as well as during the recent RTG press conference announcing the policy.  During that event, the Consul General cited US veterans with TRICARE coverage specially as a population of concern in Thailand.  At least one other Embassy (the UK) cited concern as well.

 

 

The U.S. Embassy plans to continue our advocacy with the RTG regarding the option for U.S. citizens to use existing insurance – regardless of where that insurance is based – to meet the requirements.  We acknowledge there could be a difficult transition period as the Thai’s determine exactly how to implement the new health insurance requirement.  As you note, the language in the official police order is vague in some respects.  Therefore, we may have some room to navigate and improve on implementation. 

 

 

Ultimately, this is a Thai regulation and the Thai government is the final arbiter of how this regulation will be implemented.

 

 

Again, we will continue to engage with the RTP on this issue.

 

 

Respectfully,

 

 

ACS"

 

I again encourage others -- and not just Americans - to contact their Embassies as  it appears that they at least have the opportunity to engage in dialogue on the issue, which is a lot more than we do.

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17 hours ago, Mapguy said:

NON-O VISAS AND EXTENSIONS OF STAY (EFFECTIVE 1 NOV2019) IN CHIANG MAI

 

A NON-O visa may be obtained abroad or in Chiang Mai by conversion from a 60-Day tourist visa (obtained abroad).  For criteria abroad check the consulate where you wish to apply.  For Chiang Mai, the procedure and documents required are attached. This information was obtained from CM Immigration on 7 NOV 19.  It was previous amended (in ink) by CM Immigration and, I believe in reading it, has been followed by officers for some time.  For any further information, I suggest you contact CM Immigration directly or an agent, if that is your (expensive) preference.

 

I am guessing that any extension of permission to stay done thereafter would follow the same criteria currently used for an extension generated from a NON-OA visa, but without any health insurance requirement. That can be learned at the time of the conversion.NON-O Conversion Retirement 11:19.pdf

  Depends upon who you believe regarding extensions to non-Imm O-A visas.

 

  Some immigration offices are telling people who originally entered the country years ago on a non-Imm O-A visa, and who have been doing annual extensions for years from that visa at their local immigration office, that they will require Thai health insurance at their next extension.  

 

According to post #620 of the embedded thread below, (page 42 or so, it's a long thread), Chiang Mai Immigration has posted this sign:

 

 

 

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On 11/4/2019 at 6:28 PM, nichopaulcnx said:

After receiving my extension the IO at CM made it clear that they will check the 3 months / 800K and 400K minimum next year, so make sure it does not dip below ! 

Can you tell me which IO told you that because when I went for retirement extension this week, the IO at counter 8 (who is a middle-aged guy) didn't mention anything about this and maybe he might have forgotten.

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1 hour ago, TheAppletons said:

  

  Some immigration offices are telling people who originally entered the country years ago on a non-Imm O-A visa, and who have been doing annual extensions for years from that visa at their local immigration office, that they will require Thai health insurance at their next extension.  

 

 

You can't rely on some immigration officers because if you approach different officers, they might give you different answers. I was given different answers on TM30 in the past.

 

Regarding my own experience, I must apologize to everybody here because I didn't know there are two types of retirement visas (O and O-A), I always thought there is only one type of retirement visa.

 

Mine is an O-visa based on retirement and extended yearly. I got my extension after 1 Nov 2019 just this week.

 

So I can confirm based on my experience for O-visa based on retirement and extension, no health insurance is required.

 

The best is to wait for reports from the O-A visa holders based on retirement and extension to come in.

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56 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

You can't rely on some immigration officers because if you approach different officers, they might give you different answers. I was given different answers on TM30 in the past.

 

Regarding my own experience, I must apologize to everybody here because I didn't know there are two types of retirement visas (O and O-A), I always thought there is only one type of retirement visa.

 

Mine is an O-visa based on retirement and extended yearly. I got my extension after 1 Nov 2019 just this week.

 

So I can confirm based on my experience for O-visa based on retirement and extension, no health insurance is required.

 

The best is to wait for reports from the O-A visa holders based on retirement and extension to come in.

See the sign that I attached in my post above - that's from the Chiang Mai Immigration Office, according to the person who originally posted it.

 

Also, I didn't say some "immigration officers", I said some immigration offices.

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