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Video: New Zealander collides with Thai motorcyclist going the wrong way on bridge in Rayong

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7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's actually easier to see the closing speed of a motorcycle (or any vehicle) in daylight without lights on. Again difficult to to tell but the bike (you can just see before 'the helpful circle') is maybe 100+ metres down the road. Also I would guess that 75% of the closing speed you mention was the car. Bit slower i.e. speed limit it may have been a different outcome.?

You are correct different actions lead to different outcomes, with hindsight

Foresight is much better as far as life expectancy and road usage is concerned though

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I’ve had two accidents so far in my time here. The first time a guy overtaking me forgot he had a trailer and pulled  in front too soon hitting my front wing. He agreed it was his fault until his boss turned up at the police station and changed his story for him. The police took some time but agreed he was wrong. The second time I was hit by a teenager on a motorcycle. The police tore a strip off him and so did his dad. Nobody tried to blame me. The foreigner doesn’t always get blamed, only sometimes.

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2 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

I’ve had two accidents so far in my time here. The first time a guy overtaking me forgot he had a trailer and pulled him n front too soon hitting my front wing. He agreed it was his fault until his boss turned up at the police station and changed his story for him. The police took some time but agreed he was wrong. The second time I was hit by a teenager on a motorcycle. The police tore a strip off him and so did his dad. Nobody tried to blame me. The foreigner doesn’t always get blamed, only sometimes.

No deaths involved just might help a little

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4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Fantastic paraphrasing.?  Yes, it sure looks like the Kiwi was speeding and yes the idiot on the bike was going the wrong way (not uncommon here and something you should keep in mind, even crossing a road on foot) but could you please show where I stated; recklessly drove straight into the bike on purpose.

Without scouring back through the posts, I think that was what was being implied by a statement that the guy had 4 or 5 seconds to react (can't recall if that was you or not) and just summarising, therefore it must have been a reckless act...right?

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5 hours ago, wgdanson said:

And vice versa.

Exactly. What do you do in a situation like that? If you both pull over, you still hit each other. The natural reaction is to stay on course and expect the other person to pull over. Reaction time plus "rabbit in the headlights" syndrome were major factors in the accident.

 

Also, I feel that the Kiwi didn't return to the middle lane after overtaking a slower vehicle he had another vehicle undertaking him at speed an deemed it safer to allow faster moving traffic on his inside to clear him before safely returning to the middle lane. No one knows how they would react to a situation like that unless they have been in that situation.

 

It was much more difficult for the Kiwi to avoid the accident than it appears on the video. Even harder if you are some decerped old man like say...….Tropo? 555

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41 minutes ago, Catkiwi said:

What are you on man? Give it a rest and come back when or if you ever have something sensible to say.

OK. How's this, at least the Kiwi guy didn't flee the scene.

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2 minutes ago, Catkiwi said:

Without scouring back through the posts, I think that was what was being implied by a statement that the guy had 4 or 5 seconds to react (can't recall if that was you or not) and just summarising, therefore it must have been a reckless act...right?

It does seem that his full attention was not on the road for whatever reason and he sure seems to be speeding. So, reckless yes. But the dick on the bike is also reckless. Riding on the wrong side of the road is common place and stupid but he should have been to the left hand side as we see it. His right. He's not even fully over to his left. He's smack bang in the middle of the lane. Never thought I'd say this on TV but could this have been suicide?

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7 hours ago, sanemax said:

The reality is that most of the time they do not .

Its just a TVF myth that keeps on getting repeated by forum posters 

The car camera is the game changer, happen to a guy I know in CM he hit a bicyclist who was on the main road drunk. the cops looked at the camera and put in the report bicycle guy at fault. The guy I know did give the family 50,000b but that was the end of it.

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46 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's actually easier to see the closing speed of a motorcycle (or any vehicle) in daylight without lights on. Again difficult to to tell but the bike (you can just see before 'the helpful circle') is maybe 100+ metres down the road. Also I would guess that 75% of the closing speed you mention was the car. Bit slower i.e. speed limit it may have been a different outcome.?

100 metres and both doing 100 kph takes roughly one and a half seconds before they are both trying to occupy the same bit of road.

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4 minutes ago, overherebc said:

100 metres and both doing 100 kph takes roughly one and a half seconds before they are both trying to occupy the same bit of road.

There was more time than that between the bike being visible (on the video) to the collision.

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14 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It does seem that his full attention was not on the road for whatever reason and he sure seems to be speeding. So, reckless yes.

I see zero evidence for either. May have had some of his attention diverted to the faster moving vehicle on his inside, and rightly so. Check the time, in real time, from when you clearly see the bike to moment of impact, a couple of seconds, no time to react.

 

Speed limit 90kpm, overtaken by a faster vehicle, in the outside lane, sounds and looks about right to me.

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9 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

There was more time than that between the bike being visible (on the video) to the collision.

Agree but throw in the 'what the hell time' say a second, realisation time, say another second, not much time left for moving foot to brake, different for every driver and it doesn't leave much to get both slowed and stopped.

Best conditions stopping from say 65 mph/100+kph.

Thinking distance 20 metres, stopping distance 80metres.

That applies to both vehicles, you work it out if heading towards each other.

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4 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Agree but throw in the 'what the hell time' say a second, realisation time, say another second, not much time left for moving foot to brake, different for every driver and it doesn't leave much to get both slowed and stopped.

Stopping in this situation was impossible, but a slight change of direction on the part of one or both drivers, indicated or not, could have prevented the collision.

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11 hours ago, colinneil said:

Another life lost due to stupidity, the motorcyclist was 100% at fault.

What was he doing riding in the fast lane against oncoming traffic?

The dead mans family are not pursuing the case, it would be pointless anyway.

...and here is our neighborhood suicide squad. One truck fits all:

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