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Video: New Zealander collides with Thai motorcyclist going the wrong way on bridge in Rayong


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4 hours ago, Moonlover said:

I agree with much of what you say, but not the last bit.

 

India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Egypt,. To name just a few I've known and I'm sure there are many more.

I've been in India and didn't see them driving against traffic like Thai do....

 

But i believe you there'll be more countries where they have that nasty habit...Except Vietnam i'll never visit any of the ones you named.

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11 hours ago, lensta said:

Why should he move over. The idiot on the bike got what he deserved. No sympathy from me.

Because the guy on the bike could have gone thru your wind shield and killed you. 

I had a similar deal with a semi in my lane around a curve yes I should not have moved over to save my life.

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13 hours ago, Lowryderen said:

But he was being undertaken by that black car right before the crash. If I had a car undertaking me on the left, no matter if it was in first or second lane I would wait for it to pass before changing my lane.. Just in case, and my focus would be partly in the mirrors. Anyway it also take a moment to realize that the motorbike is actually driving towards you, and not in the same direction as you.

Why was the black car able to 'undertake'.  Because the NZ guy was sat in the 'overtaking lane'.  If he had been driving in the left lanes then the other car wouldn't have been able to undertake.

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12 hours ago, DavisH said:

I'm surprised the victim even made it to 40 years old. Like they say, there are old bikers and bold (or stupid) bikers, but not many old and bold (or stupid ones). Can believe they bike wasn't even hugging the shoulder of the road to at least reduce the chance of an accident. Darwin can chalk up another one. 

From what I read, the guy on the bike was 28 , it was the kiwi car driver who was 40.

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, sanemax said:

The reality is that most of the time they do not .

Its just a TVF myth that keeps on getting repeated by forum posters 

Absolutely not a myth. I've heard it and variations come from the lips of Thais several times, both inside and outside my office. Once I was told by a colleague that I shouldn't be in Thailand and any accidents would be my fault -- and this lady did her high school in New York and then college and had spent several more years working there. 

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52 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

If he had time and it was safe obviously he should move over, only a psychopath would disagree.

Then I must be a psychopath.

 

The driver overtook a vehicle on the outside lane, then he approached a hill and probably intended to stay on that lane until over the hill and could see clearly if there were any slower moving vehicles on the other lanes.  Humans have a weakness, that is having a brain. This means when faced with a spur of the moment decision we have a delayed action having to think about it, unlike a fly that can react instantly in emergency situations. 

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15 hours ago, wgdanson said:

However, the Kiwi was driving in the 'fast' lane with a clear 'middle' lane, he had just overtaken the light coloured pick-up. Why didn't he move over. He had 4 or 5 seconds to take evasive action

That is a very difficult situation. The NZ boy did not expected  oncoming traffic in the fast lane. That is unusual, surprising and shocking moment in Thailand also. As usual to come head on in the sideline. To take evasive action, at first need to look the mirrors, because to steer left, can make an other accident, motorcycle pass away unhurted and You stay alone and can not explain, why did You do that stupid action. Nobody would be witnessing on Your side. The motorcycle driver was in charge to steer very near to the center barrier. He did not does it.

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Why are you still arguing about the video ?  It's there , you can all see it. 

 

Motorbike  at top speed and the car at a speed over 90 km/h , almost no reaction time.    

 

But if it was me I would never end up in the right lane, my Nissan March take it slowly in the middle or left lane.  Could it have been avoided ? Not in the right lane. 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

Stupid bike rider could have pulled over.  Why did he put one foot down? Looks as though the guy in the car could have easily nudged to the left since he had already passed the slower vehicle in the center lane. 

Hopefully the car driver does that next time

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17 hours ago, MrJohnson said:

Me too. Driving here is very stressful, requires nerves of steel and total concentration. I find a  3 hour drive Bangkok to Hua Hin is mentally exhausting.  I've started taking the train. Slow but relaxing.

..best avoid anything with a red ring around it...RIP silly bike rider.

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2 hours ago, balo said:

Why are you still arguing about the video ?  It's there , you can all see it. 

 

Motorbike  at top speed and the car at a speed over 90 km/h , almost no reaction time.    

 

But if it was me I would never end up in the right lane, my Nissan March take it slowly in the middle or left lane.  Could it have been avoided ? Not in the right lane. 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it was not suicide, then it was rank stupidity on the motorcyclists part

Either way its just another one gone

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6 hours ago, possum1931 said:

it would be pointless anyway".  Would it Colin? As the guy who hit the motorcyclist was a westerner, the attitude could be if he was not here, the "accident" would not have happened.

that dose not cut it these days if as a farang you have any sense

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5 hours ago, HHTel said:

Why was the black car able to 'undertake'.  Because the NZ guy was sat in the 'overtaking lane'.  If he had been driving in the left lanes then the other car wouldn't have been able to undertake.

He had just overtaken a grey pickup which was sat in the middle lane, then a black pickup overtook him on the inside.

 

Notice how the black pickup overtook in lane 1 then moved over to lane 2 after he had overtaken the Kiwi.

 

How many times have you overtaken a Thai in a pickup only for him to put his foot down and try to block you from returning to his lane? Happens to me all the time. It's quite possible that the grey pickup was still sat on his rear wing.

 

This is why the black pickup overtook in lane 1 rather than lane 2 and the Kiwi didn't return to lane 2 after passing the grey pickup. Could also be why neither the Kiwi nor the bike made any attempt to pull over to lane 2 to avoid the accident.

 

With only seeing half of the scene (a rearview camera would have been nice) we can only speculate and jump to conclusions about all of the causes of the accident, (there's always more than one causational factor in any accident).

 

It could well be that the grey pickup, was a major causational factor by being a typical Thai and not wanting to lose face by letting the Kiwi successfully complete his overtaking manoeuvre, thus making lane 2 unavailable to all three of the other vehicles.

 

Pure speculation, we'll never know, but that's the nature of TVF, we can all play armchair experts!

 

RIP to the biker and sympathy to his family, but my greatest sympathy goes out to the Kiwi, emotionally scarred and financially devastated, through no fault of his own.

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