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Video: New Zealander collides with Thai motorcyclist going the wrong way on bridge in Rayong

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4 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

Then I must be a psychopath.

 

The driver overtook a vehicle on the outside lane, then he approached a hill and probably intended to stay on that lane until over the hill and could see clearly if there were any slower moving vehicles on the other lanes.  Humans have a weakness, that is having a brain. This means when faced with a spur of the moment decision we have a delayed action having to think about it, unlike a fly that can react instantly in emergency situations. 

Not feeling it is safe to do so, or having enough reaction time are valid reasons, but also completely different reasons to, "why should he move over?" which was the only reason you gave previously, as if to imply that you feel that if you are not breaking a traffic rule you can just kill someone who is, which is obviously not how things work in anyone's mind other than a psyho's.

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an insane video, things like this makes me wonder if I should completely stop driving in LoS

would not be surprised if this was a suicide case

 

as far as I can see from the video the bike is visible for more than 5 secs before the crash,

but of course, it takes time for scenes like this to really sink in, that the bike is actually coming towards you.

 

an evasive action could have been taken?, maybe so, BUT:

just turning left as soon as you understand that the bike is aiming for you could lead to whatever ugly incidents

first you need to understand that the bike is actually coming towards you

then you need to do some proper mirror scanning

then turn left - all this takes time

 

(not sure, but I think its breach of the rules to stay in the overtaking lane after you are done overtaking)

 

 

close to the house, I do a U-turn under a highway bridge,

narrow 1-way road with 2 90 degree turns, so cant really see much,

lots of bikes coming under the bridge in the wrong direction, including police bikes

what a country

 

 

 

 

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Whilst the bike rider is clearly at fault, his reasons remain a mystery!

 

I know this bridge well and if as the article says the man was a local then he would have known it as well.

 

He would have had to have gone across 3 lanes of traffic to end up in that lane, which at the start of the bridge is separated from the oncoming traffic by a concrete barrier.

Then, where was he going to go...if he had made it over the bridge he would have to filter left back into fast traffic, or cut across 4 lanes of oncoming traffic to "shortcut" to the other side.

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18 hours ago, jossthaifarang said:

I'm not saying the bike was in the right, but the Kiwi seemed to be traveling pretty fast and could see the motorcycle for quite some time. He should have seen him coming, slowed down and moved over. Again the bike was in the wrong, but I think enough time was available for evasive action to have been taken..

Like someone already said it takes time to realize that they're coming towards you and no headlight working,plus not always possible when your checking mirrors to see the idiot Thais undertaking.

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7 hours ago, Thian said:

I've been in India and didn't see them driving against traffic like Thai do....

 

But i believe you there'll be more countries where they have that nasty habit...Except Vietnam i'll never visit any of the ones you named.

Interestingly, The only country where I've seen a motorcyclist ghost riding like this was India, although it was exceptional. In the countries I've listed, they usually ride on the inside lane as they do here. I have never, as I recall, seen a motorcycle being ridden is this manner in Thailand. I do wonder whether he thought he was on a single carriageway.

 

I'm also somewhat critical of the Kiwi driver. If I was approaching a blind hilltop in the road, at high speed, in the outer lane, my survival 'alarm bells' would be ringing very loudly.

 

Expect the unexpected, slow down, move over. The road is not busy. He had plenty room around him. Defensive driving is so important here, as indeed everywhere.

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20 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

Unfortunately Thai's don't always see it that way and would likely blame the New Zealander  - If he wasn't in Thailand then this tragic event wouldn't have occurred.

 

Very true. Similar thing happened to me and yep, farangs fault! I guess in defense you could blame farang for inventing motorbikes, cars, roads and such which is all beyond the thais obviously. Perhaps blame 8mil year old africans so thais wouldnt exist in defense therefore would have never happened.

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23 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

He had plenty room around him.

Really? How do you know this? Was the pickup he'd just passed still hanging off his rear, in the middle lane? I don't know.....and neither do you.

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19 hours ago, oldlakey said:

 

Yes it would have occurred sooner or later, because the rider was a complete pratt

a complete <deleted> <deleted>, <deleted>, ad infinitum...................!! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

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My sympathies are with the NZ chap. As I think mentioned on other similar threads, the local market where I live is/are accidents just waiting to happen. At dusk it's madness with kids riding motorbikes going the wrong way and adults doing the same thing. The other evening I saw the single traffic/pedestrian guide get clipped from behind by a m/c going the wrong way and the m/c went into a barrier which hit shoppers at a roadside stall. More fright than anything but the point is no one does a d**n thing about it. It it just laziness for the to ride the wrong or 's*d the law, if I want to ride that way I will' or a bit of both.

As for the dead man, my condolences to the family.

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33 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Interestingly, The only country where I've seen a motorcyclist ghost riding like this was India, although it was exceptional. In the countries I've listed, they usually ride on the inside lane as they do here. I have never, as I recall, seen a motorcycle being ridden is this manner in Thailand. I do wonder whether he thought he was on a single carriageway.

 

I'm also somewhat critical of the Kiwi driver. If I was approaching a blind hilltop in the road, at high speed, in the outer lane, my survival 'alarm bells' would be ringing very loudly.

 

Expect the unexpected, slow down, move over. The road is not busy. He had plenty room around him. Defensive driving is so important here, as indeed everywhere.

They put a median separation thing on motorways so you don't have to think or worry about folk driving towards you whether the road has hills, bends, whatever..

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2 hours ago, catman20 said:

that dose not cut it these days if as a farang you have any sense

Ummm.........the RTP have moved on from that "line of reasoning", so prevalent in the past??

 

A small advancement of thinking then. Wow!

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1 hour ago, brianthainess said:

Like someone already said it takes time to realize that they're coming towards you and no headlight working,plus not always possible when your checking mirrors to see the idiot Thais undertaking.

It is something you should be expecting in Thailand, he should have been ready for it. I have to dodge idiots on bikes daily, it's easy when you know it's coming. Anyway, everyone makes mistakes I suppose. Perhaps old mate hasn't been driving in Thailand that long..

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1 hour ago, transam said:

They put a median separation thing on motorways so you don't have to think or worry about folk driving towards you whether the road has hills, bends, whatever..

 

No, you shouldn't have to worry about folk driving toward you, but you do have to worry that there may be something in your lane, it could have been a broken down vehicle and judging by his reactions it is safe to assume that he would have hit whatever came up in his lane as he doesn't seem to notice the bike in the few seconds that it is visible. 

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1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

No, you shouldn't have to worry about folk driving toward you, but you do have to worry that there may be something in your lane, it could have been a broken down vehicle and judging by his reactions it is safe to assume that he would have hit whatever came up in his lane as he doesn't seem to notice the bike in the few seconds that it is visible. 

A broken down vehicle would not be coming towards you at speed would it...If kiwi was doing 60mph and the bike was doing 80mph we have a 140mph situation...

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