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Video: New Zealander collides with Thai motorcyclist going the wrong way on bridge in Rayong

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On 9/18/2018 at 1:21 AM, Chelseafan said:

Unfortunately Thai's don't always see it that way and would likely blame the New Zealander  - If he wasn't in Thailand then this tragic event wouldn't have occurred.

 

Confirmed! Is what thai cops said to me when My leg was smashed on my mbike here..it happened cos I was here!

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2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

Again, I am not trying to hang anyone, I just think these things should be investigated, not sure why you're struggling to see the difference, perhaps its because of your own willingness to hang people based on little info, but that is not something I do.

 

Yes, ABS leaves skid marks, dotted ones.

 

Again, I have no idea why any of it happened the way it did, perhaps an investigation would clear up your questions.

 

 

What more do you need to know?....   

 

 

In a situation less obvious I can understand the need for an investigation. However, the video leaves little doubt. 

 

OR... are you wondering why there was no apparent reaction from the NZ driver ?

 

In which case, why? are you looking to proportion some blame to him for not avoiding the incident?

 

Looking for ABS dotted skid marks is sketchy a best and requires a highly trained accident investigator on scene to interpret the tread scatter IF there even is a mark present and to do so in perfect weather conditions within a matter of hours to offer at best an educated 'range' of events (speed)....   ultimately, the investigation and interpretation of ABS skid marks in Thailand is a no-goer.

 

I suppose that if we were in the US or Europe its possible that on the right day this incident may be given greater attention and a full investigation afforded.... but to decide what? That the NZ driver hit is breaks within xx timeframe or not?....  If he didn't could he still be to blame in any way or form?

 

As a layman, this video shows that this accident occurred well outside of the 'grey area' which could imply some proportion of blame to the NZ driver. I suppose what you are looking for is something which may imply that there could have been measures taken to mitigate the severity of the outcome... i.e. lighting reactions to... well.. do what exactly? shift lanes in a second?

 

Your point (if I understand the point you are trying to make) is that there needs to be some expert oversight before proportioning blame for and cause of accidents, but how far would you go?... what are you looking for? 1% blame to the NZ guy? for what purpose?... just so someone is always to blame?...  where is the line in the sand which prevents us from being at fault for simply being there at the time things went wrong?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 9/18/2018 at 12:21 PM, Chelseafan said:

Unfortunately Thai's don't always see it that way and would likely blame the New Zealander  - If he wasn't in Thailand then this tragic event wouldn't have occurred.

 

Of course no Thai could possibly have had that accident!? What me have an accident !!! loss of face would be to much to bear.

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19 hours ago, Moonlover said:

 

Taken out of context. The whole paragraph read:

 

''Expect the unexpected, slow down, move over. The road is not busy. He had plenty room around him. Defensive driving is so important here, as indeed everywhere''.

 

Slow down, back off and move in behind the pick up. Save your overtaking maneuver until after the bridge when you know it's safe to do so, not think it is.

 

I do wonder. If the vehicle had been driven by a Thai, how many of the Thai baiting fraternity would have chimed in with comments to the affect: ''Typical Thai, driving too fast in the outside lane with no regard for safety. Me first, me first''. But, of course, he wasn't a Thai and falangs don't do that sort of thing do they.

 

Do they?

 

 

82must be wonderful to be as perfect you as yes expect the unexpected, do drive not drive today the unexpected may happen like a motor bike driving the wrong way in the fast lane. I know I won,t get up today you just don't know what to expect but it will be the unexpected bit gobbledy gook how can you expect the unexpected if you prepare for it its expected

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On 9/18/2018 at 12:23 PM, sanemax said:

Although no one has stated that .

I suppose the next reasoning will involve who has the right to use the overtaking lane? With the flow or against the flow

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On 9/18/2018 at 6:19 AM, MrJohnson said:

Me too. Driving here is very stressful, requires nerves of steel and total concentration. I find a  3 hour drive Bangkok to Hua Hin is mentally exhausting.  I've started taking the train. Slow but relaxing.

Yup, sure is.

 

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9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

What more do you need to know?....   

 

 

In a situation less obvious I can understand the need for an investigation. However, the video leaves little doubt. 

 

OR... are you wondering why there was no apparent reaction from the NZ driver ?

 

In which case, why? are you looking to proportion some blame to him for not avoiding the incident?

 

Looking for ABS dotted skid marks is sketchy a best and requires a highly trained accident investigator on scene to interpret the tread scatter IF there even is a mark present and to do so in perfect weather conditions within a matter of hours to offer at best an educated 'range' of events (speed)....   ultimately, the investigation and interpretation of ABS skid marks in Thailand is a no-goer.

 

I suppose that if we were in the US or Europe its possible that on the right day this incident may be given greater attention and a full investigation afforded.... but to decide what? That the NZ driver hit is breaks within xx timeframe or not?....  If he didn't could he still be to blame in any way or form?

 

As a layman, this video shows that this accident occurred well outside of the 'grey area' which could imply some proportion of blame to the NZ driver. I suppose what you are looking for is something which may imply that there could have been measures taken to mitigate the severity of the outcome... i.e. lighting reactions to... well.. do what exactly? shift lanes in a second?

 

Your point (if I understand the point you are trying to make) is that there needs to be some expert oversight before proportioning blame for and cause of accidents, but how far would you go?... what are you looking for? 1% blame to the NZ guy? for what purpose?... just so someone is always to blame?...  where is the line in the sand which prevents us from being at fault for simply being there at the time things went wrong?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not looking to attribute blame on anyone, I seek an investigation so that blame can be attributed on the guilty, whoever that may be.  And there is very good reason for doing so, perhaps the driver has a medical condition they are unaware of, or perhaps they have one they are aware of but are continuing to drive regardless of its obvious danger.  Perhaps the driver was looking at their phone at the time, or asleep, or didn't have their glasses on, in which case they should be charged, that is not about always having someone to blame, it is about keeping dangerous fools off the road.  I cannot fathom why you keep going around in circles with this, but for the last time, I am not blaming anyone, I just think that any accident where someone dies should be properly investigated so as to help prevent further accidents.

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3 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

I am not looking to attribute blame on anyone, I seek an investigation so that blame can be attributed on the guilty, whoever that may be.  And there is very good reason for doing so, perhaps the driver has a medical condition they are unaware of, or perhaps they have one they are aware of but are continuing to drive regardless of its obvious danger.  Perhaps the driver was looking at their phone at the time, or asleep, or didn't have their glasses on, in which case they should be charged, that is not about always having someone to blame, it is about keeping dangerous fools off the road.  I cannot fathom why you keep going around in circles with this, but for the last time, I am not blaming anyone, I just think that any accident where someone dies should be properly investigated so as to help prevent further accidents.

In Thailand? :cheesy:

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53 minutes ago, Spidey said:

In Thailand? :cheesy:

 

I am not saying I expect it to happen, but that it should, do you disagree?

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Give it a rest, you've had your fun. You're flogging a dead horse. I am thinking you cannot be that dumb not to see that? ? ? 

 

Not going to happen in LOS! TIT.

 

Don Quixote and windmills comes to mind.

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, transam said:

So you ain't worked that out yet...?......?

 

Let me help you, a bloke on a motorcycle was in the fast lane of a one way street riding in the wrong direction, which means he was heading straight towards three lanes of oncoming traffic..

 

Now if you want to blame any driver using those three lanes because a nut job was on a kamikaze mission then l fear you may have the same ploblem as the biker..:crazy:

 

No, unlike you I don't feel like I can work out all the contributing causes of an accident from looking at a dashcam video, hence my call for an investigation, it is you who wants to hang someone, not me, have you at least worked that much out yet?  Did you even think to consider that the driver may have been drunk and were they not they may have had reactions that allowed them to avoid hitting them?  The first thing that should be done in any fatal accident is take blood tests of all the drivers involved.

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6 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

the insurance companies are always keep to push for that as then they don't have to pay out.

If the blame is apportioned, both insurance companies pay out apportionately.

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4 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Really? Don't apply for a job as an accident investigator. I worked it out in a heartbeat.

 

I don't think the bike riders insurance company would like you working for them, just to throw all their potential savings from the claim into the wind just because of what you reckon.  Great contribution though, clearly you're a thinking man.

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