What price a life? Man faces just one month jail after his vicious dogs kill four year old riding her bike

[oldlakey]

4 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

The gates are always all closed and locked all night every night.  Six locked steel gates and 500m of 10 wire barbed wire fence stop neither dogs or thieves.  Dogs burrow or jump through fences at an angle, anywhere they like.

Fruit thieves use wire cutters, bolt cutters  and hack saws.

There are plenty of untrained dogs around here that that roam up and down the road all day and night, mainly looking for food.  Ours are not among them.  our dogs  chase the ferals away from our property of we would be over-run.   At the most,  2 or 3 of our dogs take a brief walk most late afternoons through an uninhabited neighbours property and return down our family private road.  They come back in the main gate after being absent for 5 or 10 minutes, tops.  Other than that the whole 6 are rarely more than 40 metres from the house unless they are with us away from the house, which they love.  They sleep for much of every day anyway as they are all awake for much of every night responding to other local dogs' movements by lying out near our main gate.  Our dogs are not a danger to anyone except thieves and do not fulfil your fantasy of a local re-enactment of Jack London's "White Fang."

I have spent hundreds of hours reinforcing what I expect from our dogs  and miscreants occasionally get chained up for a few hours or days to confirm my resolve.

Please stop confusing well behaved, painstakingly socialised farm/house dogs (guard dogs if you wish) with roaming killer packs of rabid proto-wolves.  It is simply a fantasy.    

 

I cannot afford to waste any more time answering your misconceptions.  I share your concerns about undisciplined, wild or savage dogs of which Thailand has too many and even too many in this neighbourhood.  Thank you for your concern about our dogs but I firmly believe your fears are misplaced.

You change your story at every Post you make, earlier it was your dogs roamed at will

Hence the dog that got poisoned for attacking locals ,plus the dog "KILLED ON THE ROAD"

You need to understand your responsibilities to the general public if you feel the need for 6 dogs

Don't let them roam, because uncontrolled dogs are the reason the 4 year old child is now no longer with us 

I have no fears about your free roaming dogs, I am just aware of what could happen and does happen as regards the actions of irresponsible "dog owners"

As you say we have both made our position crystal clear so I will offer you the last word for any further changes you want to make to your story

Have a nice weekend my man

 

[superal]

1 hour ago, oldlakey said:

You change your story at every Post you make, earlier it was your dogs roamed at will

Hence the dog that got poisoned for attacking locals ,plus the dog "KILLED ON THE ROAD"

You need to understand your responsibilities to the general public if you feel the need for 6 dogs

Don't let them roam, because uncontrolled dogs are the reason the 4 year old child is now no longer with us 

I have no fears about your free roaming dogs, I am just aware of what could happen and does happen as regards the actions of irresponsible "dog owners"

As you say we have both made our position crystal clear so I will offer you the last word for any further changes you want to make to your story

Have a nice weekend my man

 

A trained dogs behavior is normally predictable under the guidance of its owner . However , when the dog is unattended and free to wander , natural instincts can take their course .  Even a household family pet dog can change its ways when joining a pack of soi dogs . I have heard owners say " I cannot believe my dog would do such a thing , he would not harm a fly ". The fact is the hunting & killing is generically within all dogs as it was how they existed . Knowing what their trigger is can be a variant . Finally to dog owners , would you leave your baby/child alone in a room with your dog ?

[Vacuum]

4 minutes ago, superal said:

Even a household family pet dog can change its ways when joining a pack of soi dogs .

Unless the "pet dog" is a alpha male, it will not join the pack. It will be attacked by them.

[The Deerhunter]

3 hours ago, oldlakey said:

You change your story at every Post you make, earlier it was your dogs roamed at will

Hence the dog that got poisoned for attacking locals ,plus the dog "KILLED ON THE ROAD"

You need to understand your responsibilities to the general public if you feel the need for 6 dogs

Don't let them roam, because uncontrolled dogs are the reason the 4 year old child is now no longer with us 

I have no fears about your free roaming dogs, I am just aware of what could happen and does happen as regards the actions of irresponsible "dog owners"

As you say we have both made our position crystal clear so I will offer you the last word for any further changes you want to make to your story

Have a nice weekend my man

 

Changing my story. Hardly!!  Very simple.  \

(1) They can/could roam at will, but they almost, (details provided ) do not. The one killed on the road was a totally lovable idiot.  A regular Winnie the Pooh, "bear of very little brain."  A sweetie but too stupid to live.  His demise was most sad but not unexpected.

 

(2) My many years of owning and training hunting dogs were over, since my first and hopefully, last divorce so I thought.  Then my second wife and I retired here and I wanted to travel.  Dogs are a responsibility I did not need or want at this stage of my life.  The family here (including my wife) however, insisted on always owning a security "pack" with redundancies for regular disease and accident deaths. I love dogs and I so hated how ALL the local dogs, including ours, were diseased and dying that I took over their management to control vaccinations, feed and training.  Now, all but one, are new dogs from since I came, i.e. less than 5 years old. We have also tried to persuade neighbours to use 6 monthly, 80 baht contraceptive injections on the girl dogs as we do, but with zero success.  

Some time back I put my foot down on dog ownership again and my wife now agrees.  As these ones die they will not be replaced beyond a compliment of 2 at the most.  To hell with what the family think.  My wife bought and owns all the land.  I didn't want dogs but I do love them.   And yes, (most) dogs are much smarter than most people give credit for.  Indeed a couple of these seem to be naturally way smarter than some people I have to deal with here.  No experienced dog owner would have difficulty believing some of the things these guys understand.

Now you know it all.  Time to retire your imagination.   I am NOT one of the bad guy dog owners.  OVER AND OUT!

[bandito]

On ‎9‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 6:18 AM, superal said:

There is a jail sentence here in LOS for killing a dog  ,  so revenge or taking care of a situation needs some thought so as to distance yourself from a crime .

 

So killing a 4 yr old girl is not a crime?

But killing the dog who did it is?

If it had been my daughter it would be the end of the dogs life.

You have a strange idea of what is a crime or not a crime.

[Spidey]

11 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

We have also tried to persuade neighbours to use 6 monthly, 80 baht contraceptive injections on the girl dogs as we do, but with zero success.  

Why not get the bitches spayed? I have done this with every female dog that I owned, at 5 months of age. Also neutered all the male dogs.

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, bandito said:

 

So killing a 4 yr old girl is not a crime?

But killing the dog who did it is?

If it had been my daughter it would be the end of the dogs life.

You have a strange idea of what is a crime or not a crime.

Maybe you are right, but the poster above was talking about the law in Thailand.

[superal]

13 minutes ago, bandito said:

 

So killing a 4 yr old girl is not a crime?

But killing the dog who did it is?

If it had been my daughter it would be the end of the dogs life.

You have a strange idea of what is a crime or not a crime.

I am quoting Thai law and not my opinion . The finger of guilt could be pointed at the dog owner , the guardian of the girl,  the local neighborhood  and authorities who fail to address the soi dog problem .

If I had been the parent the death of the dog would be my first action and probably not the last .

[The Deerhunter]

25 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Why not get the bitches spayed? I have done this with every female dog that I owned, at 5 months of age. Also neutered all the male dogs.

Because:  (1) Thais don't like sterilization of animals particularly females.  It isn't  "natural" .  Contraception is O.K.

(2)  it costs money and

(3) it gives them an excuse to not take responsibility for something that IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY!!!

[mauGR1]

17 minutes ago, superal said:

I am quoting Thai law and not my opinion . The finger of guilt could be pointed at the dog owner , the guardian of the girl,  the local neighborhood  and authorities who fail to address the soi dog problem .

If I had been the parent the death of the dog would be my first action and probably not the last .

Well, i think the parents have to share part of the guilt too.

While is good for the little children to enjoy a lot of freedom, the parents should be reasonably sure that the environment is safe.

I think from 0 to 6/7 years of age a child is not responsible, the parents have to carry 100% of the responsibility.

I wouldn't sanction them anyway, the loss of the poor child is painful enough.

[The Deerhunter]

5 hours ago, superal said:

A trained dogs behavior is normally predictable under the guidance of its owner . However , when the dog is unattended and free to wander , natural instincts can take their course .  Even a household family pet dog can change its ways when joining a pack of soi dogs . I have heard owners say " I cannot believe my dog would do such a thing , he would not harm a fly ". The fact is the hunting & killing is generically within all dogs as it was how they existed . Knowing what their trigger is can be a variant . Finally to dog owners , would you leave your baby/child alone in a room with your dog ?

True and possible. We have a Thai style 2 story farm house and we sleep upstairs facing the main gate.   Invariably at least 3 or 4 are in view from our room and a soft whistle brings the other one or two out  within seconds.  We only have one really randy male and if a local bitch comes on heat he gets chained up for a few nights.  The others for one reason or another are reluctant to leave the house area almost at all.  If they go to the end of our private road to chase stray dogs away they are always back within a minute or two of their own volition.  We have a number of relatives in the area with quite young children.  My wife bought the family home off her mother and the matriarch still lives here  There are always 1 or 2. up to  5 or 6 here every day because granny or great granny is here and we always have ice have cold drinks here.  The kids do what ever they do and the dogs are always with them.   We have a guest house on the property. 1 or 2 dogs go and sleep on the porch or outside the bedrooms whenever someone stays here.

 

If it was practical to make over  500m of fence permanently dog proof we would do it but it is not.  End of story.  I know it is not everyone's ideal and back home I never had dogs free at night.  They usually slept inside the house.    6 dogs chained up every night would soon be known in the area and our security luck might change.  Everyone knows we have 6 dogs that are very property centred and we benefit from that.  I guess we are lucky with the personalities we have but I am very selective.   One dog I paid for but sent back was a constant problem to the guy who bred him until he died of parvo or distemper (no follow up vaccinations) I had one young male here  castrated very early as I could see he was becoming too dominant. It took the edge off.   Basically they are all very house and property centred.

We make the best of what we have.  Since building the fences and gates 2.5 years ago the dogs now know exactly where our property ends now and they will watch other dogs go by and bark "go away" from behind the fence.  Before the fences and gates they liked to think  the road was theirs too. 

Thank you for you comments but I am getting a bit bored with feeling I have to justify a lifestyle that I did not originate and also have had to adapt to the best I can. Like with many Farang husbands, the property was a hell of a lot worse before I got here in every way: Drainage, irrigation, fencing, storage sheds, implements, land management of course  the way dogs were treated.  I think I might start ignoring anymore "quotes" on this thread.

[oldlakey]

20 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

Changing my story. Hardly!!  Very simple.  \

(1) They can/could roam at will, but they almost, (details provided ) do not. The one killed on the road was a totally lovable idiot.  A regular Winnie the Pooh, "bear of very little brain."  A sweetie but too stupid to live.  His demise was most sad but not unexpected.

 

(2) My many years of owning and training hunting dogs were over, since my first and hopefully, last divorce so I thought.  Then my second wife and I retired here and I wanted to travel.  Dogs are a responsibility I did not need or want at this stage of my life.  The family here (including my wife) however, insisted on always owning a security "pack" with redundancies for regular disease and accident deaths. I love dogs and I so hated how ALL the local dogs, including ours, were diseased and dying that I took over their management to control vaccinations, feed and training.  Now, all but one, are new dogs from since I came, i.e. less than 5 years old. We have also tried to persuade neighbours to use 6 monthly, 80 baht contraceptive injections on the girl dogs as we do, but with zero success.  

Some time back I put my foot down on dog ownership again and my wife now agrees.  As these ones die they will not be replaced beyond a compliment of 2 at the most.  To hell with what the family think.  My wife bought and owns all the land.  I didn't want dogs but I do love them.   And yes, (most) dogs are much smarter than most people give credit for.  Indeed a couple of these seem to be naturally way smarter than some people I have to deal with here.  No experienced dog owner would have difficulty believing some of the things these guys understand.

Now you know it all.  Time to retire your imagination.   I am NOT one of the bad guy dog owners.  OVER AND OUT!

 

I have reacted to what you have posted  earlier your words not mine

You are no different from the owner whose dogs killed the 4 year old child

[YogaVeg]

On 9/19/2018 at 7:33 PM, The Deerhunter said:

They might nip to remind you if you (like many/most Thais who have very bad "dog manners"  If they nip they will think that it is your fault.  And so will I!   No dog I have ever owned (and I am 70 now) has ever bitten anyone yet.  "Bitten" as in blood and tooth holes.

 

P.S  Our dogs all consider themselves to be Hi/So Thai soi dogs.  At first meeting, they are absolutely suspicious of people who are badly dressed, smelly, have very dark skin or look "very low class."  

 

Any dog nips or bites, and that dog needs to get dealt with.

End of story and end of dog.

[MaxYakov]

On 9/21/2018 at 8:25 AM, holy cow cm said:

Canine court. Great!

Why not? They have kangaroo courts don't they? (And not just in Oz. The US Senate Judicial Committee comes to mind)

[sambum]

On 9/22/2018 at 2:05 AM, The Deerhunter said:

The gates are always all closed and locked all night every night.  Six locked steel gates and 500m of 10 wire barbed wire fence stop neither dogs or thieves.  Dogs burrow or jump through fences at an angle, anywhere they like.

Fruit thieves use wire cutters, bolt cutters  and hack saws.

There are plenty of untrained dogs around here that that roam up and down the road all day and night, mainly looking for food.  Ours are not among them.  our dogs  chase the ferals away from our property of we would be over-run.   At the most,  2 or 3 of our dogs take a brief walk most late afternoons through an uninhabited neighbours property and return down our family private road.  They come back in the main gate after being absent for 5 or 10 minutes, tops.  Other than that the whole 6 are rarely more than 40 metres from the house unless they are with us away from the house, which they love.  They sleep for much of every day anyway as they are all awake for much of every night responding to other local dogs' movements by lying out near our main gate.  Our dogs are not a danger to anyone except thieves and do not fulfil your fantasy of a local re-enactment of Jack London's "White Fang."

I have spent hundreds of hours reinforcing what I expect from our dogs  and miscreants occasionally get chained up for a few hours or days to confirm my resolve.

Please stop confusing well behaved, painstakingly socialised farm/house dogs (guard dogs if you wish) with roaming killer packs of rabid proto-wolves.  It is simply a fantasy.    

 

I cannot afford to waste any more time answering your misconceptions.  I share your concerns about undisciplined, wild or savage dogs of which Thailand has too many and even too many in this neighbourhood.  Thank you for your concern about our dogs but I firmly believe your fears are misplaced.

"At the most,  2 or 3 of our dogs take a brief walk most late afternoons through an uninhabited neighbours property and return down our family private road".

 

So if these "2 or 3 dogs at most" are unaccompanied, they are an accident/attack waiting to happen!

 

Unaccompanied dogs are not "under your control" and woe betide anybody who happens to be walking anywhere near your "uninhabited neighbours property" or your family private road!

[from the home of CC]

Just read that he's charged with negligence causing death - max sentence 10 yrs. The article here that everyone was commenting on I guess was just click bait.

[The Deerhunter]

2 hours ago, sambum said:

"At the most,  2 or 3 of our dogs take a brief walk most late afternoons through an uninhabited neighbours property and return down our family private road".

 

So if these "2 or 3 dogs at most" are unaccompanied, they are an accident/attack waiting to happen!

 

Unaccompanied dogs are not "under your control" and woe betide anybody who happens to be walking anywhere near your "uninhabited neighbours property" or your family private road!

Yeah.. They could get bitten by a snake or knocked down on the road   Cars go very fast down our road and with the high grass on the corners, after all the rain we had,  blocking visibility...............  Nothing else dangerous around there.  

[sambum]

1 hour ago, The Deerhunter said:

Yeah.. They could get bitten by a snake or knocked down on the road   Cars go very fast down our road and with the high grass on the corners, after all the rain we had,  blocking visibility...............  Nothing else dangerous around there.  

I thought "our road" was a "family private road" according to your previous post, so with all due respect, could you not just ask your family to slow down and cut the grass on the corners?  ?

[tropo]

On 9/19/2018 at 1:58 PM, ChrisY1 said:

Kill all soi dogs....kill dogs that attack humans and heavily fine owners that allow their dogs to roam unattended........

It's 2018.....people should not be attacked and savaged by dogs!

If a person attacked and killed a dog they'd get a stiffer penalty than this.

[davidst01]

On 9/19/2018 at 2:11 PM, car720 said:

Agree totally.  What is most disturbing is the penchant that so many young people have today for the savage breeds e.g. the American Pit Bull.  

If I had my way the entire breed would be sent into extinction.

I agree. I hate that psycho breed

[The Deerhunter]

16 hours ago, sambum said:

I thought "our road" was a "family private road" according to your previous post, so with all due respect, could you not just ask your family to slow down and cut the grass on the corners?  ?

To be polite I will answer this!  There many types of "road" in the world and many properties, even small ones, front onto more than one road. 

 

Our property is in a very rural area, on a 1km  ++ long PUBLIC road with several corners and many fenced properties.  Probably quite unlike where you and other dog fearing people live     And it has only a small number of houses actually fronting it.  There many long driveways leading back to secluded blocks and houses and TWO SEMI PRIVATE service roads only sealed as far as they are public, then they become unsealed private access.  ONE of our six locked gates (to the house proper) is 40 metres up OUR semi private (Zero traffic past our gate) road.  We have four locked access gates spread along our main public road frontage. And one "internal" locked gate adjoins a family member's land.   We  trim the grass at the two corners of our side road entry to improve visibility when departing.  My brother in law personally trimmed several 100 m's of grass, way beyond his property (without being molested by anyones' dogs.)   But no one wants to trim over 3km (two sides???) of public through-road and it's side roads.

 

Our area is VERY RURAL.  All rice, Cassava, orchards and overgrown Army land.  Much targeted by thieves for fruit pumps and copper wire, over the years.  The dogs that killed that child were "usually locked up behind the house."   Such dogs are not socialised or "childrenised" .  They do not know how to behave in public and will chase anything that moves, (like a kid on a bike.)  Lots of people all over the world like savage dog breeds or make dogs of any breed savage by caging them.  Most Thais (and many Farang Thais are ignorant about or afraid of any and all dogs. When caged dogs eventually do get out, WATCH OUT!!!!!!  Dog-ignorant people can get bitten particularly when they act inappropriately.  This is one of the times when ignorance is a defence under the law. 

 

Owning known savage biting dogs is just plain stupid.  

 

The Kerry truck came her at 10am.  The dogs barked. I was working upstairs.  He drove his very quiet truck in the open house gate and right up to the house.  The dogs barked. I went down, WITHOUT calling out to the dogs.   My supposedly dumb proto-savage killers had all moved away from his truck and he (who had not been here before) was busy getting my parcels out of the back. They had done their job.  If he had approached the house from there, without one of us, they would have barked and stopped him to sniff him and to further check him out.   At that point it would have been ignorant to try and push past them before they finished.  After the sniff test they would have accompanied him to the house door.

 

Put quite simply; what is absolutely necessary in an urban soi or moo-bahn does not apply in the rural area because does not work .   

I Just wish townies and dog-averse folk could understand this and educate themselves a bit.   They would then be in much less danger of being bitten by dogs, anywhere!!!!!

 

I am now officially very bored with answering non-rural, dog-ignorant, dog-averse and dog fearing folk's questions on this thread.  The politeness will wear off quite soon.

[sambum]

6 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

To be polite I will answer this!  There many types of "road" in the world and many properties, even small ones, front onto more than one road. 

 

Our property is in a very rural area, on a 1km  ++ long PUBLIC road with several corners and many fenced properties.  Probably quite unlike where you and other dog fearing people live     And it has only a small number of houses actually fronting it.  There many long driveways leading back to secluded blocks and houses and TWO SEMI PRIVATE service roads only sealed as far as they are public, then they become unsealed private access.  ONE of our six locked gates (to the house proper) is 40 metres up OUR semi private (Zero traffic past our gate) road.  We have four locked access gates spread along our main public road frontage. And one "internal" locked gate adjoins a family member's land.   We  trim the grass at the two corners of our side road entry to improve visibility when departing.  My brother in law personally trimmed several 100 m's of grass, way beyond his property (without being molested by anyones' dogs.)   But no one wants to trim over 3km (two sides???) of public through-road and it's side roads.

 

Our area is VERY RURAL.  All rice, Cassava, orchards and overgrown Army land.  Much targeted by thieves for fruit pumps and copper wire, over the years.  The dogs that killed that child were "usually locked up behind the house."   Such dogs are not socialised or "childrenised" .  They do not know how to behave in public and will chase anything that moves, (like a kid on a bike.)  Lots of people all over the world like savage dog breeds or make dogs of any breed savage by caging them.  Most Thais (and many Farang Thais are ignorant about or afraid of any and all dogs. When caged dogs eventually do get out, WATCH OUT!!!!!!  Dog-ignorant people can get bitten particularly when they act inappropriately.  This is one of the times when ignorance is a defence under the law. 

 

Owning known savage biting dogs is just plain stupid.  

 

The Kerry truck came her at 10am.  The dogs barked. I was working upstairs.  He drove his very quiet truck in the open house gate and right up to the house.  The dogs barked. I went down, WITHOUT calling out to the dogs.   My supposedly dumb proto-savage killers had all moved away from his truck and he (who had not been here before) was busy getting my parcels out of the back. They had done their job.  If he had approached the house from there, without one of us, they would have barked and stopped him to sniff him and to further check him out.   At that point it would have been ignorant to try and push past them before they finished.  After the sniff test they would have accompanied him to the house door.

 

Put quite simply; what is absolutely necessary in an urban soi or moo-bahn does not apply in the rural area because does not work .   

I Just wish townies and dog-averse folk could understand this and educate themselves a bit.   They would then be in much less danger of being bitten by dogs, anywhere!!!!!

 

I am now officially very bored with answering non-rural, dog-ignorant, dog-averse and dog fearing folk's questions on this thread.  The politeness will wear off quite soon.

I now feel that I know exactly where you live - obviously "tongue in cheek" isn't your thing! Aren't your fingers tired?

[oldlakey]

3 minutes ago, sambum said:

I now feel that I know exactly where you live - obviously "tongue in cheek" isn't your thing! Aren't your fingers tired?

Jackanory springs to mind

[The Deerhunter]

13 hours ago, sambum said:

I now feel that I know exactly where you live - obviously "tongue in cheek" isn't your thing! Aren't your fingers tired?

Yes.

[The Deerhunter]

14 hours ago, oldlakey said:

Jackanory springs to mind

Exactly.  I appreciate you being so perceptive.   At last you realise I am trying to stimulate an interest in the Thai resident Falangs here to educate themselves on how to better understand dogs; to be less unreasonably fearful and more safe around the millions of dogs here.  My wife and I spend time with visiting Thai (adults and children) who mostly are alarmingly ignorant about dogs.  We teach them with practical demonstrations how to behave when meeting "new" dogs. 

(Wikipedia. Jackanory is a BBC children's television series which was originally broadcast between 1965 to 1996. It was designed to stimulate an interest in reading.

 

[Spidey]

Just now, The Deerhunter said:

Exactly. Off course it would.  I appreciate you being so perceptive.   At last you realise I am trying to stimulate an interest in the Thai resident Falangs here to educate themselves on how to better understand dogs; to be less unreasonably fearful and more safe around the the millions of dogs here.  My wife and I spend time with visiting Thai (adults and children) who mostly are alarmingly ignorant about dogs.  We teach them with practical demonstrations how to behave when meeting "new" dogs. 

(Wikipedia. Jackanory is a BBC children's television series which was originally broadcast between 1965 to 1996. It was designed to stimulate an interest in reading.

 

I think that you are forgetting that rabies is on the rise in Thailand. Although I agree with your sentiments, it just ain't worth the risk.

[The Deerhunter]

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I think that you are forgetting that rabies is on the rise in Thailand. Although I agree with your sentiments, it just ain't worth the risk.

Exactly my feeling.  That is why I want people to not get risk getting bitten by acting stupidly or inappropriately around dogs.  With aggressive soi dogs you can only do so much then it is the Teddy Roosevelt solution.  "Speak softly and carry a big stick."    The is no magic trick that will remove maybe a million or more unvaccinated and diseased feral dogs.   

[The Deerhunter]

37 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I think that you are forgetting that rabies is on the rise in Thailand. Although I agree with your sentiments, it just ain't worth the risk.

The poor wee girl in this thread OP was chased down and killed riding her bike.  (1) Dogs like chasing anything that moves.  Even balls.  (2) The dogs "were usually locked up behind the owners house"  Probably caged and un-socialised dogs who got out and had never met the child????   People who have dogs and neighbours with kids should try to introduce each to other.    Normal family dogs are usually very tolerant of children.  They pull ears and hit dogs that might respond differently to an adult doing same.    To a certain extent 50+%??) these situations are preventable.  But dog owner education is an uphill battle if the owners want a savage dog or have no time for their dogs and just lock them up 24/7.