webfact Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Koh Tao alleged rape investigation: Big Joke says woman investigator to be sent to England Picture: Daily News The Royal Thai Police said Saturday that a selection process would be held this week to choose an appropriate female investigator to travel to England to interview the woman who claims she was raped on Koh Tao. And they have accepted they may have been looking in the wrong spot. Pol Maj-Gen Surachate Hakpan - known as Big Joke who earlier suggested that he would be travelling to England himself - said that the British Embassy and authorities in England had requested that a woman go to the UK. He said that conducting an interview and investigation outside Thailand was a "difficult" matter but that the foreign authorities had faith and confidence in the RTP that it would be handled properly. The UK authorities appreciated the Thai police work in investigating the allegations while there was no formal report made by the alleged victim, he said. Daily News did not comment if this all meant that Maj-Gen Surachate would not be going to the UK himself. The alleged victim - now said to be 20 - claimed that she was drugged and raped on the island in June. An initial visit by Surachate to the island turned up no evidence but it now turns out he may have been looking in the wrong place. In response to questions that the previously discredited online group "CSI LA" had said that Surachate went to the wrong site of the alleged rape he said that his investigation followed the comments of the mother of the victim in statements to the UK media. Whether this was in fact the spot where the alleged crime took place is a matter in the continuing investigation. The Maj-Gen reiterated that if a crime took place those responsible would be prosecuted and if it had been made up then similarly those who lied must be held accountable. Source: Daily News -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2018-09-24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samui Bodoh Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 "...but that the foreign authorities had faith and confidence in the RTP that it would be handled properly..." How exactly was this determined? 'Foreign authorities' aren't stupid and will be fully aware of the Thai Police's reputation. And, it is not a good reputation. "...In response to questions that the previously discredited online group "CSI LA" had said that Surachate went to the wrong site of the alleged rape he said that his investigation followed the comments of the mother of the victim in statements to the UK media. Whether this was in fact the spot where the alleged crime took place is a matter in the continuing investigation..." Wow! That is some serious back-pedaling. I wonder if he is worried about what the UK police are going to say? And what the effect will be on his sterling reputation? The lack of either seriousness, ability or some other reason is the reason that no young woman should go to Koh Tao again until there is demonstrable proof that the police there are trained, serious and dependable. And, until then, boycott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 It is indeed a big joke of an investigation.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotMahKid Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Good that the big Joke is not going there because he was biased and this way he will not miss his photo-shoots with the press when other policemen show their results and of course the interview should be done by a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, RotMahKid said: Good that the big Joke is not going there because he was biased. Of course the interview should be done by a woman. Biased? Only a couple of days a go there was a report how the RTP invariably acted as 'middleman' to cut a deal between the raped woman and those accused of the crime, thereby avoiding prosecution. Of course they're not biased. <sarcasm mode off> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Still have my doubts as to any RTP actually going to the UK and if they did, would the young woman talk to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon789561 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 sending a female officer is not a bad idea IMO. i really cannot see how they can get a prosecution from this but at least they are following it up. thought he might send his sidekick who has disappeared recently, at least she speaks english having went to uni there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxcorrigan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 And they have accepted they may have been looking in the wrong spot. That must be a first then, and did it come from The Joke himself, somehow doubt it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I read the police were looking based off where 'The Sun Newspaper' reported it as happening. Great detective work there, boys. I never accused anyone of lying in this story. All I asked is that there's a proper investigation. I was told by a few members that there was one done. Evidently, there was not. Where are our members who believe the girl to be lying based off hearsay and poor investigation skills? When it comes to the RTP, some people will never learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: no young woman should go to Koh Tao again until there is demonstrable proof that the police there are trained, serious and dependable. And until past crimes are investigated and the real perps are found and removed from the island And btw not only women - men have been killed there under mysterious circumstances, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, webfact said: a selection process would be held this week to choose an appropriate female investigator to travel to England to interview the woman who claims she was raped on Koh Tao the sensible thing to do. Looks like proper police work. I guess independent British witnesses (police, lawyer e.g.) will be present during the interview which would make it more trustworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Happy enough said: sending a female officer is not a bad idea IMO. i really cannot see how they can get a prosecution from this but at least they are following it up. thought he might send his sidekick who has disappeared recently, at least she speaks english having went to uni there. Yes I agree it is a good idea to do the interviewing. But I am sure the selected person will have been first indoctrinated with Prawit's and Big Joke's take on the investigation. Meaning she will go there with a preconceived opinion. No doubt she will have an entourage of RTP officers to help see her through this ordeal. More non-paying seats on Thai Airways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 It won't happen. They became threatening,began to bluster and are now looking around for a female police officer to take the fall.. All this in a land that actually believes that there is no need for female police officers in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gudge Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Wasn't there a suicide on the island recently of a influential well off buisnesman. If the female investigator thinks she maybe telling the truth want to bet they somehow try to involve him as the previous rapes and murders were pointing towards persons well off connected to heads of the island mafia. Would take the pressure off them. Put the suicide down to feeling guilty and ending it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: "...but that the foreign authorities had faith and confidence in the RTP that it would be handled properly..." How exactly was this determined? 'Foreign authorities' aren't stupid and will be fully aware of the Thai Police's reputation. And, it is not a good reputation. Nothing determined, it's just something that Hakpan said, and unless he has a certified letter from those foreign authorities stating what he said, then he did commit crime by publishing fake news an the internet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I read the police were looking based off where 'The Sun Newspaper' reported it as happening. Great detective work there, boys. I never accused anyone of lying in this story. All I asked is that there's a proper investigation. I was told by a few members that there was one done. Evidently, there was not. Where are our members who believe the girl to be lying based off hearsay and poor investigation skills? When it comes to the RTP, some people will never learn. The back peddlers will be along soon in an attempt to discredit her in other ways to save face........ironicallySent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 What a pity big joke is not going to London. It would be worth the price of admission to see him handle the British press, might be a lesson on the outside world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nip Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: "...but that the foreign authorities had faith and confidence in the RTP that it would be handled properly..." How exactly was this determined? 'Foreign authorities' aren't stupid and will be fully aware of the Thai Police's reputation. And, it is not a good reputation. "...In response to questions that the previously discredited online group "CSI LA" had said that Surachate went to the wrong site of the alleged rape he said that his investigation followed the comments of the mother of the victim in statements to the UK media. Whether this was in fact the spot where the alleged crime took place is a matter in the continuing investigation..." Wow! That is some serious back-pedaling. I wonder if he is worried about what the UK police are going to say? And what the effect will be on his sterling reputation? The lack of either seriousness, ability or some other reason is the reason that no young woman should go to Koh Tao again until there is demonstrable proof that the police there are trained, serious and dependable. And, until then, boycott. Indeed your absolutely correct.... I used Google translate and Big Jokes statement in English reads thus; We made a boll○x of it and we are looking for a female Thai officer to take the blame. In fact we are at the moment looking for a way out of this without loosing face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon789561 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 58 minutes ago, Kadilo said: The back peddlers will be along soon in an attempt to discredit her in other ways to save face........ironically Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app well when you have cases such as this you can't blame the rtp for being sceptical, there's been a few false allegations on the islands this year from wasted girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Dennis Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Gudge said: Wasn't there a suicide on the island recently of a influential well off buisnesman. If the female investigator thinks she maybe telling the truth want to bet they somehow try to involve him as the previous rapes and murders were pointing towards persons well off connected to heads of the island mafia. Would take the pressure off them. Put the suicide down to feeling guilty and ending it. I saw this too Gudge, then never heard anything else about it which I thought was weird ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 52 minutes ago, Happy enough said: well when you have cases such as this you can't blame the rtp for being sceptical, there's been a few false allegations on the islands this year from wasted girls The police can be as skeptical as they want behind the scenes. But in front of alleged victims, the public and press, they have to take all rape allegations very seriously and they have to be very sensitive on how they deal with allegations. It’s called professionalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 58 minutes ago, Happy enough said: well when you have cases such as this you can't blame the rtp for being sceptical, there's been a few false allegations on the islands this year from wasted girls Yes seems like they have already learned something from all the <deleted> ups before and handled this one appropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 What a load of BS, big joke wont go, sending a woman to take the fall, bloody coward. If they can prove no rape took place the joke will step forward and grab the credit, saying i was correct in what i said. Now if it goes the other way, he will have a scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, colinneil said: What a load of BS, big joke wont go, sending a woman to take the fall, bloody coward. If they can prove no rape took place the joke will step forward and grab the credit, saying i was correct in what i said. Now if it goes the other way, he will have a scapegoat. Still not convinced any Thai cop is going and if they do will the girl talk to them, we'll wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon789561 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, colinneil said: What a load of BS, big joke wont go, sending a woman to take the fall, bloody coward. If they can prove no rape took place the joke will step forward and grab the credit, saying i was correct in what i said. Now if it goes the other way, he will have a scapegoat. "the British Embassy and authorities in England had requested that a woman go to the UK." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon789561 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Oziex1 said: Still not convinced any Thai cop is going and if they do will the girl talk to them, we'll wait and see. seems it is being coordinated between thai and UK authorities so i would assume the girl has agreed to talk to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy enough said: "the British Embassy and authorities in England had requested that a woman go to the UK." Yes we know that, but the joke was spouting off about going, not like him to back off. When the RTP went to Germany there were 13 of them, so a woman going alone not the usual scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just now, Happy enough said: seems it is being coordinated between thai and UK authorities so i would assume the girl has agreed to talk to them OK wasn't aware of that information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon789561 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, colinneil said: Yes we know that, but the joke was spouting off about going, not like him to back off. When the RTP went to Germany there were 13 of them, so a woman going alone not the usual scenario. doubt she will go alone. BJ said originally he would go and the uk would have said we use females to do interviews in these circumstances so please send a girl instead. she would be interviewed i suspect by the thai copper in front of specialist uk coppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Happy enough said: sending a female officer is not a bad idea IMO. i really cannot see how they can get a prosecution from this but at least they are following it up. thought he might send his sidekick who has disappeared recently, at least she speaks english having went to uni there. Having a female officer interview female sexual assault and rape victims is in fact standard good practice, internationally, and quite important. Even if a male officer is empathetic and fully understands how traumatic these things are from a female victim;s perspective (often not the case, especially in Thailand), a victim will feel much more comfortable with talking to another woman. For years advocacy groups in Thailand have been pushing to have this be universal practice in Thailand as well. The recent decision not to accept female cadets into police training will, of course, make that increasingly hard top put into practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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