Retirement Village in Chiang Mai

[JimGant]

Wow! If I had a stroke, and am immobile, screw Immigration. Unfortunately, that might not be possible in a nursing home like Vivo Bene, etc -- where somehow they might feel obligated to interact with  Immigration--- not sure what then transpires -- a drooling, limp body wheeled into Immigration -- or then into the airport, if found to be in violation of overstay?

 

Anyway, fortunately, I have the resources and facilities to have home care, bringing in the nurses and attendants necessary to change my diapers, etc. So, what happens if my permission of stay lapses? Probably nothing, as what in their computer file says I'm now in overstay: Haven't renewed permission of stay, but Departure Card (TM6) not closed out? (Hmmm, that's probably the big indicator.) But, I really don't think they have a grip on overstay, until you show up at Immigration in some capacity or other. And, in a coma, you won't be showing up.

 

So, just to brief the wife, don't worry about Immigration if I'm non ambulatory and/or mentally incapacitated. They're not going to be able to do anything about that, or want to.

 

But I would hope facilities like Vivo Bene have an "agreement" with Immigration for handling such cases....

[CMNightRider]

14 hours ago, JimGant said:

Wow! If I had a stroke, and am immobile, screw Immigration. Unfortunately, that might not be possible in a nursing home like Vivo Bene, etc -- where somehow they might feel obligated to interact with  Immigration--- not sure what then transpires -- a drooling, limp body wheeled into Immigration -- or then into the airport, if found to be in violation of overstay?

 

Anyway, fortunately, I have the resources and facilities to have home care, bringing in the nurses and attendants necessary to change my diapers, etc. So, what happens if my permission of stay lapses? Probably nothing, as what in their computer file says I'm now in overstay: Haven't renewed permission of stay, but Departure Card (TM6) not closed out? (Hmmm, that's probably the big indicator.) But, I really don't think they have a grip on overstay, until you show up at Immigration in some capacity or other. And, in a coma, you won't be showing up.

 

So, just to brief the wife, don't worry about Immigration if I'm non ambulatory and/or mentally incapacitated. They're not going to be able to do anything about that, or want to.

 

But I would hope facilities like Vivo Bene have an "agreement" with Immigration for handling such cases....

Don't kid yourself Jim.  Immigration is actively looking for foreigners who have over stayed their visas.   Having dementia or some other illness where you may be bedridden will be no excuse for not having done your 90 day checkins or updated your one year visa extension.  Immigration is quietly deporting these people as we speak.

 

About two years ago at Promanada immigration, I saw a young woman wheel in an elderly western lady in a wheelchair.  This woman had no clue of where she was or why she was there but immigration required her to be there for what I believe was her one year visa extension.

 

That event was a real eye opener for me.  Now with a new ring leader in town, immigration has really tightened up on foreigners residing in Thailand.  ????     

[NancyL]

14 hours ago, JimGant said:

Wow! If I had a stroke, and am immobile, screw Immigration. Unfortunately, that might not be possible in a nursing home like Vivo Bene, etc -- where somehow they might feel obligated to interact with  Immigration--- not sure what then transpires -- a drooling, limp body wheeled into Immigration -- or then into the airport, if found to be in violation of overstay?

 

Anyway, fortunately, I have the resources and facilities to have home care, bringing in the nurses and attendants necessary to change my diapers, etc. So, what happens if my permission of stay lapses? Probably nothing, as what in their computer file says I'm now in overstay: Haven't renewed permission of stay, but Departure Card (TM6) not closed out? (Hmmm, that's probably the big indicator.) But, I really don't think they have a grip on overstay, until you show up at Immigration in some capacity or other. And, in a coma, you won't be showing up.

 

So, just to brief the wife, don't worry about Immigration if I'm non ambulatory and/or mentally incapacitated. They're not going to be able to do anything about that, or want to.

 

But I would hope facilities like Vivo Bene have an "agreement" with Immigration for handling such cases....

Yes, immigration is actively tracking down and deporting people on overstay, no matter their physical condition.  Just because you're in a coma, that's no excuse. 

 

The retirement villages will not accept new residents on overstay and they will assume responsibility for visa maintenance for their residents.  It is not necessary for someone who is physically unable to come into Immigration for an annual retirement extension with the proper doctor's letter and Power of Attorney.  The retirement villages know how to do this.  Also, Immigration regularly visits the retirement villages to make sure the people that they claim are bedridden, unable to travel, etc really are in that shape and not using residency in a retirement village as a "front" for getting out of their visa maintenance responsibilities.

 

As for people in home care, it is the responsibility of the carers to keep their client or family member's visa status current.  This is where it might make sense to employ a visa agent.

[CMNightRider]

On 2/2/2019 at 11:55 AM, NancyL said:

Incidentally, Immigration has been catching up with frail, elderly people on overstay in Chiang Mai, hauling them before a judge where they are ordered to be deported.  It doesn't matter how long they've been here or that they have committed no other crime.  The one humane thing they'll do with work with the Embassy/Consulate for them to remain in a local hospital until a flight directly out of Chiang Mai is arranged, rather than hauling them now to Bangkok for lock-up in IDC.  

Thank you for confirming this Nancy.  Life in Thailand for the expat community is changing rapidly for the worst.

 

It is very kind of Mr. Big Joke for not placing these people in Immigration holding cells awaiting their 20 hour plus flights with layovers to a country they barely know anymore.  

 

I can't imagine the confusion and fear it would be for an elderly person with dementia, getting off their flight for a layover awaiting their next flight.  I bet there is a lot of joking back at immigration about how they waved goodbye to these bewilered people as they boarding their flights out of Thailand. ????

[CMNightRider]

On 2/3/2019 at 1:12 PM, Kelsall said:

I have a feeling the boom is just starting and like the coffee shop boom and gym boom, there will be many of these places to choose from.  The costs I have seen make them much more attractive than the US.

The recent immigration financial requirement of depositing 800,000 baht in a Thai bank will slow this "boom" down a little.  

[boonrawdcnx]

"there is a Retirement Village in/near Chiang Mai which provides a 48 sq m apartment for retirees, plus round the clock care and 3 meals a day, all for 40,000 baht a month."

What is the name of this place?

40.000 ?? Probably a starting price?
The new place in Doi Saket charges 13.000 Baht a month - for the difference you can hire your own private nurse to look after you and eat a la carte’ in their restaurant every day!


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[madmen]

13 minutes ago, boonrawdcnx said:

 

40.000 ?? Probably a starting price?
The new place in Doi Saket charges 13.000 Baht a month - for the difference you can hire your own private nurse to look after you and eat a la carte’ in their restaurant every day!


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whats the name

[boonrawdcnx]

whats the name

I don’t think the owner has a name yet - it is still in the building phase probably finished towards the end of the year.

But I heard from the owner all the bungalows have been booked already by retirees before he even built them. But he will built more if there is demand.

Can understand it the views are absolutely amazing and he built his own access road into the rice fields to have the view all around.

The restaurant / bar will also be open to the public.

And there is another huge place going up very near behind our old house I heard it will be for Swiss retirees ??







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[NancyL]

8 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

Thank you for confirming this Nancy.  Life in Thailand for the expat community is changing rapidly for the worst.

 

It is very kind of Mr. Big Joke for not placing these people in Immigration holding cells awaiting their 20 hour plus flights with layovers to a country they barely know anymore.  

 

I can't imagine the confusion and fear it would be for an elderly person with dementia, getting off their flight for a layover awaiting their next flight.  I bet there is a lot of joking back at immigration about how they waved goodbye to these bewilered people as they boarding their flights out of Thailand. ????

I've escorted people with dementia half-way back to North America.   (and some all the way) If the person is fairly well-controlled and merely just bewildered and likely to wander off or not handle the long-layover at Incheon then they're a good candidate for someone to fly with them to Incheon and stay with them until it's time to board the second leg of their journey alone to where someone will meet them at the gate in North America.

 

Korean Air does a great job with wheelchair passengers, but they don't have personnel available to remain with wheelchair passengers during a long layover.  Wheelchair passengers are expected to organize their own meals, naps, toileting, etc in the good transit lounges at the Incheon Airport.  Someone with dementia would have problems doing this and this is where an escort is a big help.  Once it's time to board the second leg, the flight attendants can take over and there isn't a need for an escort for the second leg of the trip.  Thanks to adult diapers and making sure someone uses the toilet just before a flight, we haven't had any incidents like that awful one a couple weeks ago with the obese American wheelchair passenger who insisted the EVA flight attendants help him with toileting en route.

 

The attitude of Chiang Mai Immigration has been interesting.  They're always very patient as the elderly person with dementia exits the country and pays their overstay fine, even when the person is chatty or even a little belligerent (I try to keep them calmed down.) 

 

The first few times I did this, upon returning I received some attitude from the IO upon returning, because they recognized me as leaving 24 hours earlier, still wearing the same clothes and also saw that I hadn't been stamped as entering Korea.  This was back when young Thai women were trying to enter Korea to work in the sex trade under the guise of being members of tour groups and being turned away from entering by Korean IOs at the Incheon airport.  When I returned to CM, the Thai IO said "oh, Korean Immigration said you were undesirable?"  Not in a sexual way, but more like I wasn't a quality tourist.  

 

Recently, that attitude has stopped from CNX Imm. and the person checking passports and TM6 cards when you enter the arrival hall has routed me over to the VIP/handicap desk for quicker processing.  I guess they're recognizing what I'm doing in helping to get elderly overstayers out of Thailand.

[CMNightRider]

1 hour ago, NancyL said:

I've escorted people with dementia half-way back to North America.   (and some all the way) If the person is fairly well-controlled and merely just bewildered and likely to wander off or not handle the long-layover at Incheon then they're a good candidate for someone to fly with them to Incheon and stay with them until it's time to board the second leg of their journey alone to where someone will meet them at the gate in North America.

 

Korean Air does a great job with wheelchair passengers, but they don't have personnel available to remain with wheelchair passengers during a long layover.  Wheelchair passengers are expected to organize their own meals, naps, toileting, etc in the good transit lounges at the Incheon Airport.  Someone with dementia would have problems doing this and this is where an escort is a big help.  Once it's time to board the second leg, the flight attendants can take over and there isn't a need for an escort for the second leg of the trip.  Thanks to adult diapers and making sure someone uses the toilet just before a flight, we haven't had any incidents like that awful one a couple weeks ago with the obese American wheelchair passenger who insisted the EVA flight attendants help him with toileting en route.

 

The attitude of Chiang Mai Immigration has been interesting.  They're always very patient as the elderly person with dementia exits the country and pays their overstay fine, even when the person is chatty or even a little belligerent (I try to keep them calmed down.) 

 

The first few times I did this, upon returning I received some attitude from the IO upon returning, because they recognized me as leaving 24 hours earlier, still wearing the same clothes and also saw that I hadn't been stamped as entering Korea.  This was back when young Thai women were trying to enter Korea to work in the sex trade under the guise of being members of tour groups and being turned away from entering by Korean IOs at the Incheon airport.  When I returned to CM, the Thai IO said "oh, Korean Immigration said you were undesirable?"  Not in a sexual way, but more like I wasn't a quality tourist.  

 

Recently, that attitude has stopped from CNX Imm. and the person checking passports and TM6 cards when you enter the arrival hall has routed me over to the VIP/handicap desk for quicker processing.  I guess they're recognizing what I'm doing in helping to get elderly overstayers out of Thailand.

You are a good person for doing these escorts Nancy.  Thank you so much for updating everyone about immigrations humanitarian effort to fine and deport those expats who can no longer care for themselves.  What a fine group of individuals these people are.  ????

[Kelsall]

On 2/9/2019 at 10:48 AM, CMNightRider said:

The recent immigration financial requirement of depositing 800,000 baht in a Thai bank will slow this "boom" down a little.  

I was thinking more of the Thai tendency to imitate.  One opens a certain kind of business then the others do the same until supply far outstrips demand.  In the past many opened coffee shops. Now it appears to be gyms.  The future may be retirement villages.

[NancyL]

19 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

You are a good person for doing these escorts Nancy.  Thank you so much for updating everyone about immigrations humanitarian effort to fine and deport those expats who can no longer care for themselves.  What a fine group of individuals these people are.  ????

In all fairness to Thai immigration, elderly expats without the means to fulfill the financial requirements of a retirement visa often end up with unpaid medical bills in Thai gov't hospitals. It is not the responsibility of the Thai people to provide free care for elderly expats. 

 

What is heart-breaking however, are the few cases where someone actually does have sufficient income to meet the financial requirements for a retirement visa but have let it their annual extensions slip and then are blacklisted and deported. 

[thequietman]

If you could stretch it to 60,000, you could retire on a cruise ship.

[colinneil]

On 2/8/2019 at 7:15 PM, JimGant said:

Wow! If I had a stroke, and am immobile, screw Immigration. Unfortunately, that might not be possible in a nursing home like Vivo Bene, etc -- where somehow they might feel obligated to interact with  Immigration--- not sure what then transpires -- a drooling, limp body wheeled into Immigration -- or then into the airport, if found to be in violation of overstay?

 

Anyway, fortunately, I have the resources and facilities to have home care, bringing in the nurses and attendants necessary to change my diapers, etc. So, what happens if my permission of stay lapses? Probably nothing, as what in their computer file says I'm now in overstay: Haven't renewed permission of stay, but Departure Card (TM6) not closed out? (Hmmm, that's probably the big indicator.) But, I really don't think they have a grip on overstay, until you show up at Immigration in some capacity or other. And, in a coma, you won't be showing up.

 

So, just to brief the wife, don't worry about Immigration if I'm non ambulatory and/or mentally incapacitated. They're not going to be able to do anything about that, or want to.

 

But I would hope facilities like Vivo Bene have an "agreement" with Immigration for handling such cases....

Are you serious?

Immigration not going to be able to anything about that, or want to.

Hells teeth man you are totally wrong, i was in a coma, just out and was threatened with deportation ,immigration stating being in a coma is no excuse.

So you need to change your thinking, because with your attitude you would be out.

 

[jonwilly]

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2018/12/23/thailand-healthcare-insurance-foreigners-thai-cabinet-immigration-visa-extensions-expats-medical-conditions/

 

If this becomes Thai LAW, may I suggest a game changer for so many now enjoying what they planned as their late years.

 

john

[hmficc]

On 9/24/2018 at 7:42 AM, marcusarelus said:

Small town hospital.  I stayed in a hospital outside of a small town.  The hospital contracted with ladies who stayed in my room 24/7 not very expensive.  Most retirement centers in the USA are funded by charities/churches or groups of doctors.  Find the investors and involve the health care professionals and start building.  Same thing will happen here that happened in the West.  People get tired of cleaning up grandpa's poop. 

Most retirement centers in the USA are for profit corporations.