TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 2 hours ago, baboon said: Which prompts a question: OK, he had been denied entry, so why was this gentleman not in Immigration custody? The article has some explanation on that point: Quote He was then taken to an immigration detention room but refused to stay and reentered the airport. A short time later he was confronted by the security guard which is when the incident took place. However, it's certainly news to me that people placed into an Immigration detention room at the Airport after being officially denied entry to the country have the ability to "refuse to stay" there... If I ever run into trouble with Thai Immigration, I'll have to remember to try that approach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutman360 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 5 hours ago, hansnl said: And what about the Chinese? Thailand has to bow backwards for a guy making trouble because he is refused entry, and the guard will lose his job? Shameful. Improper training of security personnel. Improper screening of applicants to hire. You can point the finger anywhere you want. IMHO, there is no justification for violence. Thailand is a peaceful country. Normal Thai style diplomacy could have resolved this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaamGin Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, scoutman360 said: Improper training of security personnel. Improper screening of applicants to hire. You can point the finger anywhere you want. IMHO, there is no justification for violence. Thailand is a peaceful country. Normal Thai style diplomacy could have resolved this. The Chinese tourist had been refused entry into the country and had been detained. He exited the detention area and was wandering the airport, likely looking for an exit and to enter Thailand. The cop was doing his job. At some point reality smacks you in the face, like this guy found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattayadgw Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Send in the submarines.... :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagsdog Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 The tourist should be co-operative if not then standard procedure applies the person should be restrained with handcuffs, if that person refuses handcuffs then several guards are called and that person is wrestled to the ground and fitted with restraints and walked or dragged to the interview room. No hitting allowed just firm restraint. Thailand needs to stop bowing to their Han Masters over every little incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Put them in a cage and them go at each other. They both deserve a good punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 9 hours ago, Artisi said: Some years back I was sitting quietly in Heathrow watching the world go by when a "passenger" started arguing with a staff member, this went on for a minute or two before the passenger started raising his voice and appearing to become a little hostile, this lasted about 30 seconds before 4 heavily armed police just appeared from nowhere - that certainly brought the discussion to a very abrupt conclusion. I've seen the same in Amsterdam airport, but the guys who were called for help just grabbed the idiot by the arms and dragged him away while he was still yelling. This security is unprofessional though, he acts like this has never happened before and he doesn't know what to do now...just arrest the chinese, how hard is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Sad...Thailands Pofessionals...no attempt to restrain by blocking his pathway or tagging his hands or arms,that Thai male was all about power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Why doesn't the header just say "Chinese tourist"? ..and no,it is not a rhetorical question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Do I have this correct? He was not allowed to enter the country, placed in detention but feeling entitled, broke out if detention and entered the country? He was then confronted by security which apparently had no choice but to clock him. Now, the Chinese are whining. Via Jakarta with no onward ticket and presumably, no job. Lucky for him it wasn't in states. He'd have been done serious harm by the cops, multiple charges, jail and plane back to communist China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster59 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Don Mueang airport security guard punished for using force against Chinese tourist Tanakorn Sangiam BANGKOK, 29 September 2018 (NNT) - Don Mueang airport has punished a security guard for mistreating a Chinese tourist at the airport. Don Muang Airport General-Manager Wing Commander Suthirawat Suwanawat said regarding an online clip showing the airport's security guard who physically assailed a Chinese tourist. He admitted the incident shown in the clip actually occurred at the airport, as the passenger who had just arrived from Indonesia failed to produce a valid documentation on any reserved accommodation in Thailand, exhibited inappropriate behaviors with immigration officials, and refused to stay in the lounge awaiting the deportation. The passenger prompted the airport's security guard to take action, leading the passenger to try to run away, requiring the guard to use force to stop him. The physical action on the part of the guard was considered unreasonable. The airport general-manger expressed apologies regarding this incident which could affect the country's tourism image, and will send a letter of apology to the Chinese Embassy in Bangkok. The security guard in question has been fired while the airport general-manager currently gets himself under a 30-day suspension to show responsibility, and will take part in an investigation. -- nnt 2018-09-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, rooster59 said: Don Mueang airport security guard punished for using force against Chinese tourist Tanakorn Sangiam BANGKOK, 29 September 2018 (NNT) - Don Mueang airport has punished a security guard for mistreating a Chinese tourist at the airport. Don Muang Airport General-Manager Wing Commander Suthirawat Suwanawat said regarding an online clip showing the airport's security guard who physically assailed a Chinese tourist. He admitted the incident shown in the clip actually occurred at the airport, as the passenger who had just arrived from Indonesia failed to produce a valid documentation on any reserved accommodation in Thailand, exhibited inappropriate behaviors with immigration officials, and refused to stay in the lounge awaiting the deportation. The passenger prompted the airport's security guard to take action, leading the passenger to try to run away, requiring the guard to use force to stop him. The physical action on the part of the guard was considered unreasonable. The airport general-manger expressed apologies regarding this incident which could affect the country's tourism image, and will send a letter of apology to the Chinese Embassy in Bangkok. The security guard in question has been fired while the airport general-manager currently gets himself under a 30-day suspension to show responsibility, and will take part in an investigation. -- nnt 2018-09-30 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Number 6 said: Do I have this correct? He was not allowed to enter the country, placed in detention but feeling entitled, broke out if detention and entered the country? He was then confronted by security which apparently had no choice but to clock him. Now, the Chinese are whining. Via Jakarta with no onward ticket and presumably, no job. Lucky for him it wasn't in states. He'd have been done serious harm by the cops, multiple charges, jail and plane back to communist China. I think thats a Fed charge too. And they are serious about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said: The Chinese man had been refused entry as had been unable to show proof of onward travel, accommodation or that he sufficient funds to support his stay in Thailand. ...................and presented no swimming certificate on demand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuang Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 If you have unfortunately to deal with these people from PRC you would know what they like. Sent from my Redmi 3S using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 And the manager expressed apologies - - - - - - could effect tourism, that sums it up nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 The Chinese guy should have been placed under arrest and cuffed and put back into the room he had been held in. Too bad the security guard lost his cool. Putting this jerk into cuffs would have been a big loss of face for the Chinese. Opportunity lost. Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, Number 6 said: Do I have this correct? He was not allowed to enter the country, placed in detention but feeling entitled, broke out if detention and entered the country? He was then confronted by security which apparently had no choice but to clock him. Now, the Chinese are whining. Via Jakarta with no onward ticket and presumably, no job. Lucky for him it wasn't in states. He'd have been done serious harm by the cops, multiple charges, jail and plane back to communist China. No, you don't have it correct. He was refused entry for the single reason that he couldn't show proof of accommodation in Thailand. He didn't "break out" he walked through a door into an adjoining room where his friends were waiting. He wanted to talk to them about his situation. He made no attempt to run away or leave the airport. I also believe his story that Thai Immigration asked him for an extra 2k baht to "make the problem go away". Par for the course here. Guard was suffering from "little big man" syndrome and tried to impress his mates with his fighting prowess, which was probably his biggest loss of "face" as the world has seen that he punches like a girl. I have no love for Chinese tourists. From personal experience, I can say that they tend to be loud and arrogant and sometimes a little aggressive. However, on this occasion, my sympathies lie with the tourist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said: The Chinese man had been refused entry as had been unable to show proof of onward travel, accommodation or that he sufficient funds to support his stay in Thailand. He was then taken to an immigration detention room but refused to stay and reentered the airport. the immigration officers are to blame for letting him out the detention room. It is them who should have used force to keep him in. They should be the ones to apologize, including to the guard. Chinese will lough about that incompetent handling (what handling are they used to in their own country??? How are they handling unwanted foreigners?) And btw. will security guards be willing to do their job in the future - knowing they have no back up - after that experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie61 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I think it is highly inappropriate for a Thai to raise a hand against a Chinese Sahib....they come here to bring order and prosperity to the colonies. It smacks of mutiny, I say!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 14 hours ago, Argus Tuft said: Good move on his part - regardless on how agitated the person was - that physical response from the guard was inexcusable Cooler heads should have prevailed here A belligerent criminal was dealt with in an appropriate way by a decent Thai security guard. The Chinese rubbish travelling around the world, uneducated, insensitive and unleashed by cheap travel are locusts. Scandinavia featured recently with this kind of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Classic Ray said: Surprised in a large international airport to never see any armed police patrolling to counter terrorism. See one occasionally whizzing somewhere on a Segway, but nothing similar to the armed patrols in Europe or the US. Police may have slightly better training than a 300 baht/day security guard, although violence seems the first tactic for both security and police here. And Chinese. Dont forget Tiananmen square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, The manic said: And Chinese. Dont forget Tiananmen square. The tank did it's very best not to squash the belligerent guy stood in front of it. Showed great control....for a tank. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 52 minutes ago, Stargrazer9889 said: The Chinese guy should have been placed under arrest and cuffed and put back into the room he had been held in. Too bad the security guard lost his cool. Putting this jerk into cuffs would have been a big loss of face for the Chinese. Opportunity lost. Geezer Try that stunt in China! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 There sending a letter of apology to the embassy because of this little incident.i wonder if the British embassy got one for the execution of Alan hogg.looks like Chinese have got the Thais exactly where they want them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Thailand has to suck up because this is their last hope tourist population Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, happy chappie said: i wonder if the British embassy got one for the execution of Alan hogg. Was he executed by someone in a position of authority in Thailand. No, he was killed by a bunch of low life criminals. Every country has them. Apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Spidey said: The tank did it's very best not to squash the belligerent guy stood in front of it. Showed great control....for a tank. ???? An inhuman, ignorant comment. Try your hand at 'kids with cancer' jokes next. That might give you and your pals a laugh. You are an affront to human decency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, The manic said: An inhuman, ignorant comment. Try your hand at 'kids with cancer' jokes next. That might give you and your pals a laugh. You are an affront to human decency. And you are an affront to all logic. How does the Tiannaman square incident relate to a security guard swinging a punch in an airport? It was you that used a tragedy to make a cheap point. Why don't you try comparing the security guard's action to 9/11? that might impress your pals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalmagic Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said: Mr Suterawat said the guard involved has been suspended and will face a disciplinary procedure which will almost certainly result in him losing his job. I hope the Chinese individual is also fully investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in terms of airport security and immigration offences that he committed. Why should Thailand have to apologise as it was the behaviour of the Chinese tourist that caused the altercation? I freely admit that the security guard should not have reacted in that manner, but the incident would not have happened if the Chinese tourist had not breached airport security. Quite a touchy subject these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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