rooster59 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 New approach to teaching English already shows results By The nation The British Council and the Ministry of Education have teamed up to improve the skills of 17,000 primary and secondary English teachers in Thailand through the Regional English Training Centres (RETC) project – and results so far are overwhelmingly positive. The new method will focus on communication rather than the outdated “grammar-vocabulary” memorisation system now in wide use. Approximately 75 per cent of English teachers in Thailand are ranked at the A2 elementary level in the Common European Framework of Reference (CEFR), representing an IELTS score of 3.5 to 4. The approach combines language accuracy and memorisation rather than taking a communicative approach. The RETC Boot Camp project was first introduced in 2015 to improve overall English teaching proficiency. After two and a half years, 15,300 English teachers have improved their confidence in teaching English and were using it in their classrooms. Additionally, more than 30 potential teachers have been intensively trained to become Thai master trainers (TMTs), working with the British Council’s trainers to extend mentoring, and the transfer of knowledge to teachers and school directors. They are also creating academic networking opportunities with regional supervisors, to improve follow-up sessions. As the next step, an assessment and evaluation system is to be considered to assist in shift towards the communicative approach. Approximately 17,000 out of 40,000 of Thailand’s English teachers have been trained and mentored in the communicative approach at 15 RETCs since the start of the project, said Andrew Glass OBE, Director of British Council Thailand. As well, more than 30 teachers have been intensively trained to become Thai master trainers (TMTs). They can be counted as agents of change, working with British Council trainers to mentor and transfer knowledge to teachers and school directors. They will create academic networking opportunities with regional supervisors to improve their follow-up sessions. The outcome of the project has exceeded expectations in capacity building and facilitating change in the primary and secondary English teaching field, said Glass. After completing the project, the research found that more than 90 per cent of participating English teachers have more confidence in teaching English in the communicative approach and more confidence in using English in their classrooms. Moreover, 72 per cent of English teachers had improved their lesson planning and were able to give clearer instructions, while 94 per cent improved their lesson management. In addition, 93 per cent of English teachers had improved their English subject knowledge. All in all, the success of RETC is a result of the collaboration between a number of parties, including policymakers, educational service areas, Rajabhat University, regional supervisors, and core teachers to help solidify the project, Glass concluded. Sutthiwat Sutthiprapa, a Thai master trainer and full-time English teacher at Khor Wittayakom in Nakhon Phanom Province, said he can apply everything he learned from the RETC project in his English classes. It significantly changes the atmosphere of the classroom and the students’ attitude towards English, said Sutthiwat. “Students are eager to attend the class and make every effort to participate in class activities. I believe that if every English teacher in Thailand exploits the RETC concept, Thai students’ English ability will increase considerably,” he said. Teerakiat Jareonsettasin, Minister of Education, said that the development of Thai students’ English skills is crucial and needs serious improvement. Each Thai student studies English for at least 12 years at primary and secondary school, but most remained unable to communicate in English. This remains the main obstacle to global competition, said the Minister. The two main challenges that need to be addressed are Thai teachers’ English skills and their teaching approach. By focusing on language accuracy and the memorisation method rather than the communicative approach, most Thai students are left unable to communicate effectively in English. Many Thai students have been found to also have a poor attitude towards English classes. After recognising the challenges, the RETC in collaboration with the British Council and Ministry of Education, aims to refine Thai teachers’ English skills and adapt the existing teaching methods into a more communicative approach to enhance students’ listening, speaking, reading and writing skills. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30355408 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-09-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Now that's what I call an "overnight success"! Yesterday's news: Three quarters of Thai English teachers are only at elementary level - or worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Improving confidence is no gauge. Test them, pass or fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Lupatria said: Now that's what I call an "overnight success"! Yesterday's news: Three quarters of Thai English teachers are only at elementary level - or worse And that's exactly what this report confims "Approximately 75 per cent of English teachers in Thailand are ranked at the A2 elementary level in the Common European Framework of Reference (CEFR)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 hours ago, rooster59 said: The new method will focus on communication rather than the outdated “grammar-vocabulary” memorisation system now in wide use. They'll teach them a method that is not "grammar-vocabulary" rote learning. Good for them. That's the approach our school took to teach Thai English teachers. And then after the training sessions, they would go back to their school and be told by their school administrators to teach "grammar-vocabulary" rote learning because that's the Gold Standard in Thai education! "Forget about that fancy, new-fangled, farang teaching method." Then let's not even talk about Thais aversion to risk taking. To change the status quo, one has to be willing to take risks. But Thai culture is highly risk adverse. Change requires risk-taking; risk-taking leads to criticism; criticism leads to loss of face; loss of face is unacceptable; therefore, change never happens. That's the reality of Thai culture. What will happen is that they will laud the new approach; awards will be handed out; pictures will be taken and published; administrators will be promoted -- and then the teachers will go back to their classrooms and teach as they always have in the past. That's the reality within the Thai institutions of education. Yep, you can take a horse to water, but..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 All well and good. I wonder what percentage of them teach in small classroms with 40+ students. I also find that many of the books used here are from Singapore and are being used at the same level. Grade 2 Singapore is more like grade 4 here. Here in Thailand there is no real English language foundation to build on. By the time Singapore kids are school age they have already been exposed to English, all be it Singlish. This doesn't happen here. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 hours ago, rooster59 said: I believe that if every English teacher in Thailand exploits the RETC concept, Thai students’ English ability will increase considerably,” he said. I believe your pushing your own barrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod reborn Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Reality check - despite these results, most administrators just want their foreign teachers to play games and be entertainers. The best hope is to play communicative English games with the students and act like a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, connda said: They'll teach them a method that is not "grammar-vocabulary" rote learning. Good for them. That's the approach our school took to teach Thai English teachers. And then after the training sessions, they would go back to their school and be told by their school administrators to teach "grammar-vocabulary" rote learning because that's the Gold Standard in Thai education! Then let's not even talk about Thais aversion to risk taking. To change the status quo, one has to be willing to take risks. But Thai culture is highly risk adverse. Change requires risk-taking; risk-taking leads to criticism; criticism leads to loss of face; loss of face is unacceptable; therefore, change never happens. That's the reality of the Thai institutions of education. Yep, you can take a horse to water, but..................... If that is Liz from the British Council in the first photo then it will work or she will make it work. One of the best English trainers in the world. She uses the CLT approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, car720 said: If that is Liz from the British Council in the first photo then it will work or she will make it work. One of the best English trainers in the world. She uses the CLT approach. Only if Liz is going to follow them back to their schools and then continually follow-up in order to make sure that the 'new and improved' methods she and the British Council are teaching are implemented. It's not Liz's and the British Council's teaching methods that are in question. I have no doubt that the teaching method is solid. It's what happens after these Thai English teachers leave the confines of her classroom and are tasked with implementing the new approach in a risk-adverse, change-resistant environment of the typical Thai school. I've been there. I've done that. I know. Don't get me wrong. If 2 to 5% of these teachers successfully implement what they have learned - that is progress that bodes well for the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Language is somehow connected to communication. Well, fancy that! Why no one has thought of that before is a mystery to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 50 minutes ago, connda said: They'll teach them a method that is not "grammar-vocabulary" rote learning. Grammar and vocabulary do not necessitate rote learning. Thailand is an EFL country, but most of the farangs here only know about ESL. ESL was developed in NES countries for multi-lingual classes. It has limited applicability in mono-lingual classes in an EFL country. If languauges can be picked up by chatting then the farangs here should all be experts in Thai. The method put forward by the British Council is based on the 70's Communicative Approach. It is as outdated now as the Grammar Translation approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, connda said: Only if Liz is going to follow them back to their schools and then continually follow-up in order to make sure that the 'new and improved' methods she and the British Council are teaching are implemented. It's not Liz's and the British Council's teaching methods that are in question. I have no doubt that the teaching method is solid. It's what happens after these Thai English teachers leave the confines of her classroom and are tasked with implementing the new approach in a risk-adverse, change-resistant environment of the typical Thai school. I've been there. I've done that. I know. Don't get me wrong. If 2 to 5% of these teachers successfully implement what they have learned - that is progress that bodes well for the future! Ah,a Sisyphean task. Risk averse (note) except on the roads and matters health and safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac98 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I took Latin for years. Useless at it. You won't learn unless you want to learn. The church required I take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky mike Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Knowledge and application ! If you aim at nothing you will hit it with monotonous regularity...... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nielsk Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 4 hours ago, connda said: They'll teach them a method that is not "grammar-vocabulary" rote learning. Good for them. That's the approach our school took to teach Thai English teachers. And then after the training sessions, they would go back to their school and be told by their school administrators to teach "grammar-vocabulary" rote learning because that's the Gold Standard in Thai education! "Forget about that fancy, new-fangled, farang teaching method." Then let's not even talk about Thais aversion to risk taking. To change the status quo, one has to be willing to take risks. But Thai culture is highly risk adverse. Change requires risk-taking; risk-taking leads to criticism; criticism leads to loss of face; loss of face is unacceptable; therefore, change never happens. That's the reality of Thai culture. What will happen is that they will laud the new approach; awards will be handed out; pictures will be taken and published; administrators will be promoted -- and then the teachers will go back to their classrooms and teach as they always have in the past. That's the reality within the Thai institutions of education. Yep, you can take a horse to water, but..................... That was a pessimistic attitude. What about waiting and watching rather than expressing your prejudices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nausea Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 You can't teach what you don't know, whatever the method. And there is the nut of the problem, for most Thai teachers anyway. The communicactive approach is simply a better way (supposedly) of passing on knowledge you already have. Personally, I believe in death ground - go into an environment where you have to learn to survive. Most people will learn pretty quickly. Take away the comfort zones. To be honest it works both ways. The reason I, as a Farang, am not fluent in Thai, is because I spent most of my working life in Thailand in an English speaking environment, so I learned enough to survive, and no more. My answer - no Thai in English classes, and you don't graduate until you've met a minimal level of proficiency, as judged by a fluent speaker. It wouldn't take long for the academic system to adjust. And you gradually raise the minimal level. Of course, they have to solve their other big problem first - corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iroc4life Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 My 10 YO Thai Nephew has learned english in the last year, mostly by himself. In school he has english class like 2 days a week. Now he receives all the awards for Best English. How is he learning, Playing games with me and my son online using mic and headphones, he is exposed to english in real world conversation and immersed in it along with having fun not sitting in a class falling asleep. Dont get me wrong, he is dedicated to learning and does so everyday, he refuses to play the game on asian servers or speak thai while playing so he requests we play on US servers every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, iroc4life said: My 10 YO Thai Nephew has learned english in the last year, mostly by himself. Nobody can "learn" a language in 1 year, not even Einstein, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iroc4life Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, My Thai Life said: Nobody can "learn" a language in 1 year, not even Einstein, sorry. OK, let me clarify my statement for you sarcastic people on here always negative on your replies. My nephew has improved so much in the last year to the point he is having conversations completely in english and winning awards. Is that more clarified, geez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, iroc4life said: OK, let me clarify my statement for you sarcastic people on here always negative on your replies. My nephew has improved so much in the last year to the point he is having conversations completely in english and winning awards. Is that more clarified, geez Nothing in my reply to you was sarcastic. But this is: your nephew never received English instruction before a year ago, and he did it all on his own. Great - contact the Guinness Book of Records and the Natural History Museum. The problem with this kind of discussion is that everyone speaks a language, so everyone has an opinion about how best to learn or teach a language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveyg Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Emster23 said: Language is somehow connected to communication. Well, fancy that! Why no one has thought of that before is a mystery to me. Actually , we bwould say every subject demands communication. The teaching of English through grammar has parallels in math, science,.. well, every subject. Teachng, and what it means to teach, is not well understood across the board, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherstuff1957 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I teach at a Bilingual School. Almost all of the older students can hold a conversation and many of them are quite fluent. However, they sometimes have problems with the tests they take to get into the 'top' High Schools or Universities. That is because their English communication skills are NEVER TESTED at the other Thai schools. They are only given grammar tests, and while some do well at them, many of the more average students struggle. My prediction is that this program will fade away unless Thai schools and universities start testing actual English communication ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 The British Council know nothing! And it ridiculous to announce whatever happened as “instant success “Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, markaoffy said: The British Council know nothing! And it ridiculous to announce whatever happened as “instant success “ The British Council did not announce "instant success". And if you think the British Council "know nothing" it only demonstrates how little you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 hour ago, otherstuff1957 said: I teach at a Bilingual School. Almost all of the older students can hold a conversation and many of them are quite fluent. However, they sometimes have problems with the tests they take to get into the 'top' High Schools or Universities. That is because their English communication skills are NEVER TESTED at the other Thai schools. They are only given grammar tests, and while some do well at them, many of the more average students struggle. You seem to be addressing this question in a much more professional way than many/most others. But surely you can see that "hold a conversation" and "quite fluent" are completely subjective assessments. You seem to be implying that "communication skills" equates to conversation skills - this is not true. After all you and I are not speaking (with our mouths and ears) to each other now. Your later point confirms what I have said many times on this forum - conversation skills are not tested here. Moreover conversation skills for matriculation are not tested in any EFL country that I am aware of - it's not logistically feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Good news that some are actually learning how to teach English but at the other end of the spectrum it's the need to get rid of the dinosaurs at the schools who are actively stopping the introduction of new methods of teaching.. ie old (as in aged) head teachers who are promoted because of time served as apposed to efficiency or ability with the same going for principles who are well past their sell by date & should be put out to pasture !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Nielsk said: That was a pessimistic attitude. What about waiting and watching rather than expressing your prejudices "...a pessimistic attitude" honed by years in the field teaching English as well as teaching English teaching techniques to Thai English teachers. <laughs> I'm retired. I gave up. I got tired of doing this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonjelly Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 All very well changing the emphasis from grammar to conversational English if they adapt the testing system to accommodate it.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon537687643 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 The British Council did not announce "instant success". And if you think the British Council "know nothing" it only demonstrates how little you know.In Thailand they “know very little” that sound better for you !Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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