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16 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

They will most certainly withhold a pension if they find out you are out of the UK for longer than 8 weeks continually and could quite possibly take further action against you.  They will not withhold a pension if you advise them of your Thai retirement address. They will withhold your pension, irrespective of where you are living if you fail to return a Certificate of Life within 16 weeks.  All pensions withheld will be remitted to the beneficiary once their conditions are satisfactorily met.

Could you forward a link about the 8 week rule, I explained to the DWP Advisor all my circumstances, he couldn’t understand why I called the DWP in the first place.

It can be very confusing/grey area,  I am liable for UK Tax as I have a property in the UK, I am entitled to the Annual Pension Increments but possibly not free NHS healthcare ?

i am also entitled too the Winter Fuel Allowance as I am resident in the UK for the qualifying period which is in September.

Believe me I have gone too great lengths to check everything out as the last thing I want at my age is ending up in court.

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2 minutes ago, jamie2009 said:

the Winter Fuel Allowance

I use it to pay for my air con !

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58 minutes ago, jamie2009 said:

Could you forward a link about the 8 week rule, I explained to the DWP Advisor all my circumstances, he couldn’t understand why I called the DWP in the first place.

It can be very confusing/grey area,  I am liable for UK Tax as I have a property in the UK, I am entitled to the Annual Pension Increments but possibly not free NHS healthcare ?

i am also entitled too the Winter Fuel Allowance as I am resident in the UK for the qualifying period which is in September.

Believe me I have gone too great lengths to check everything out as the last thing I want at my age is ending up in court.

I am not going to spend my weekend searching through the UK gov website, you can do that.  If you spoke to the International Pension Centre ( did you ? ),  just ask them the question "what is the time limit to stop me qualifying for annual pension increases).  Note you need to speak to the International Pension centre. +44 (0) 191 218 7777 .  Years ago I was advised by them that the limit is 8 weeks.  Doesn't matter for me anyway as I spend 52 weeks in thailand

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1 hour ago, jamie2009 said:

Yes but I have the documentation stating when my State Pension starts, it will not stop till I die. Surely if the UK Embassy confirms this that’s enough ?

 

No,  you not have listened. Read WGDanson’s post......it is quite clear. New letter every year.

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Just now, Esso49 said:

I am not going to spend my weekend searching through the UK gov website, you can do that.  If you spoke to the International Pension Centre ( did you ? ),  just ask them the question "what is the time limit to stop me qualifying for annual pension increases).  Note you need to speak to the International Pension centre. +44 (0) 191 218 7777 .  Years ago I was advised by them that the limit is 8 weeks.  Doesn't matter for me anyway as I spend 52 weeks in thailand

Believe me I trawled the UK Gov websites looking for info so there is no need for you to spend the W.E. doing so.

Obviously you haven’t bothered too read my posts, yes I did call the International Pension Centre so there was no need to put the phone number and put in brackets ‘did you’ making out I am a liar ?

I fully explained my circumstances to the representative at the IPC and he said I was entitled too the annual increments.

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1 hour ago, jamie2009 said:

Could you forward a link about the 8 week rule, I explained to the DWP Advisor all my circumstances, he couldn’t understand why I called the DWP in the first place.

It can be very confusing/grey area,  I am liable for UK Tax as I have a property in the UK, I am entitled to the Annual Pension Increments but possibly not free NHS healthcare ?

i am also entitled too the Winter Fuel Allowance as I am resident in the UK for the qualifying period which is in September.

Believe me I have gone too great lengths to check everything out as the last thing I want at my age is ending up in court.

 

 

So, with all your homework you can explain the difference between domicile and residency.

 

Everyone pays tax on income generated in the UK whether it be rent, dividend or pension.

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1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

So, with all your homework you can explain the difference between domicile and residency.

 

Everyone pays tax on income generated in the UK whether it be rent, dividend or pension.

Like you I not going to spend the W.E. trawling the internet as there is no need too explain to you the difference between domicile and residency as you live permanently in Thailand I don’t.

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18 minutes ago, jamie2009 said:

Believe me I trawled the UK Gov websites looking for info so there is no need for you to spend the W.E. doing so.

Obviously you haven’t bothered too read my posts, yes I did call the International Pension Centre so there was no need to put the phone number and put in brackets ‘did you’ making out I am a liar ?

I fully explained my circumstances to the representative at the IPC and he said I was entitled too the annual increments.

That's good news and many thanks because I shall now be ringing them myself on Monday to ask why I have not got them all these years.

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25 minutes ago, jamie2009 said:

Like you I not going to spend the W.E. trawling the internet as there is no need too explain to you the difference between domicile and residency as you live permanently in Thailand I don’t.

 

 

You have no idea where I am domiciled.

 

Which is something of a coincidence because you don’t seem to know where you are domiciled.

 

Had you spent a bit more time on the GOV.UK website you would know that what you think you have been told by the IPC is rubbish...... assuming that the question you asked was correct....

 

 

You live in Thailand, that is where you spend most of your time .. returning to the UK one month in four does not entitle you to the annual increase in state pension.

 

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-if-you-retire-abroad

 

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2 hours ago, xylophone said:

I think this is the info you are seeking...……...you do not need the DWP to issue you a new letter every year confirming that you receive the pension, incl the amount you receive, as the British Embassy will issue you a letter for immigration every year based on the original one.

 

 

Nothing to do with your pension income, it is you TOTAL income the Immigration want to see, via the letter from the Consulate.

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25 minutes ago, jamie2009 said:

Like you I not going to spend the W.E. trawling the internet as there is no need too explain to you the difference between domicile and residency as you live permanently in Thailand I don’t.

And as you seemed not able to do a thorough search I have done a quick one for you at the pensions advisory website which I am sure you are aware of

 

Read this link and it is now worse than I said, especially for you, because you have to live in the UK for a minimum of 6 months per year to qualify for your increases.   Fiddling the system is now getting harder by the number of prosecutions also.

 

https://www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk/about-pensions/when-things-change/moving-abroad

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7 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

And as you seemed not able to do a thorough search I have done a quick one for you at the pensions advisory website which I am sure you are aware of

 

Read this link and it is now worse than I said, especially for you, because you have to live in the UK for a minimum of 6 months per year to qualify for your increases.   Fiddling the system is now getting harder by the number of prosecutions also.

 

https://www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk/about-pensions/when-things-change/moving-abroad

 

 

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https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-if-you-retire-abroad

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7 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

And as you seemed not able to do a thorough search I have done a quick one for you at the pensions advisory website which I am sure you are aware of

 

Read this link and it is now worse than I said, especially for you, because you have to live in the UK for a minimum of 6 months per year to qualify for your increases.   Fiddling the system is now getting harder by the number of prosecutions also.

 

https://www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk/about-pensions/when-things-change/moving-abroad

As you said you live permanently in Thailand so never return to the UK therefore not entitled to the annual increases so no need to phone.

If I get pulled I will refer them back to the phone call I made too the IPC, calls are recorded on the advise the DWP Rep gave to me.

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Just now, jamie2009 said:

As you said you live permanently in Thailand so never return to the UK therefore not entitled to the annual increases so no need to phone.

If I get pulled I will refer them back to the phone call I made too the IPC, calls are recorded on the advise the DWP Rep gave to me.

So you are admitting you are going to fiddle the system irrespective of the UK guideline link I attached stating that you will not qualify as you intend to not be in the UK for at least 6 months per year ?   amassing.  Another quality retiree coming to Thailand whilst abusing the UK system

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5 minutes ago, jamie2009 said:

As you said you live permanently in Thailand so never return to the UK therefore not entitled to the annual increases so no need to phone.

If I get pulled I will refer them back to the phone call I made too the IPC, calls are recorded on the advise the DWP Rep gave to me.

 

Given the grammatical shortcomings in your posts, I seriously doubt your ability to ask the right question - or understand the answer.

 

Your ignorance of the rules is no defence.

 

To clarify...

 

You need a new embassy income letter each year. That is based on the request form that you submit showing your various pension incomes, evidenced by bank statements/pension letters (the embassy are not too fussed and will not require new pension letters each year).

 

You appear to be receiving state pension increases that you are not entitled to. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED. You are deemed to be a UK resident by virtue of your property ownership - that does not entitle you to state pension increases when you live, for most of the year, in Thailand.

 

You have failed to correctly advise your change of circumstances (I.e. living in Thailand) to the DWP. You think that your conversation with IPC covers you - it doesn’t.

 

Based on what you have been told (on here), by people who know, means that you are now knowingly receiving an incorrect state pension. Not a hanging offence but your are the one who said that, at your age, you didn’t want to operate on the wrong side of the law.

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