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Chiang Mai Chinese tourism down! Let's be a "happy family" and learn to speak Mandarin!

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4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Thanks for that irrelevant info which has nothing to do with the thread or the post that you replied to 

You asked me how I knew there are Chinese people working at hotels in Chiang Mai when I admitted I couldn't always easily identify them, I answered by telling you we have several Chinese friends who live and work in Chiang Mai. Can you not put two and two together or do you need it spelt out for you, they told us about them and in one instance introduced us to one person who is a friend who worked there.

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14 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

You asked me how I knew there are Chinese people working at hotels in Chiang Mai when I admitted I couldn't always easily identify them, I answered by telling you we have several Chinese friends who live and work in Chiang Mai. Can you not put two and two together or do you need it spelt out for you, they told us about them and in one instance introduced us to one person who is a friend who worked there.

So you are aware of one Chinese person who works at Duantawan ?

One Chinese person in a huge hotel that employ 100's of people .

If you go back to the beginning of this discussion , it was stated that there are some hotels which no staff speak Thai or English and they are ALL Chinese , that is what I was replying too and questioning  

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36 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

...we have more Chinese neighbours than any other nationality, all come from professional backgrounds and most have moved here with their families and their children are enrolled at Prem., without exception they are genuinely nice and pleasant people who interact easily and don't engage in childish Thai adolescent behaviour.

I don't doubt what you say is true for that small sampling of professionals, especially interacting with you one on one.

However, as pack animals, my experiences of crowds of Chinese has been far more childish than anything I've witnessed by Thais.

Thais wait in queues respectfully, acknowledge one's presence mindfully, and don't cough or blow smoke in my face.

The Chinese? Exact opposite.

I lived and worked near Chinatown SF for years and have encountered Chinese groups in many cities throughout the world and it's always the same rude behavior.

Part of that Chinese education you say they so value should include Manners and Social Etiquette 101.

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8 hours ago, YogaVeg said:

I don't doubt what you say is true for that small sampling of professionals, especially interacting with you one on one.

However, as pack animals, my experiences of crowds of Chinese has been far more childish than anything I've witnessed by Thais.

Thais wait in queues respectfully, acknowledge one's presence mindfully, and don't cough or blow smoke in my face.

The Chinese? Exact opposite.

I lived and worked near Chinatown SF for years and have encountered Chinese groups in many cities throughout the world and it's always the same rude behavior.

Part of that Chinese education you say they so value should include Manners and Social Etiquette 101.

Thai's wait in queues respectfully, really! How long have you been here!!

 

I think it is inappropriate to refer to Chinese as "pack animals", they have a very different culture tothat in the West and they are less developed in many respects, their system of manners and courtesy is also very different - none of that makes one group right and the other group wring, manners and social etiquette 101 was written by the West but it doesn't mean the entire world has to conform.

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8 hours ago, sanemax said:

So you are aware of one Chinese person who works at Duantawan ?

One Chinese person in a huge hotel that employ 100's of people .

If you go back to the beginning of this discussion , it was stated that there are some hotels which no staff speak Thai or English and they are ALL Chinese , that is what I was replying too and questioning  

You appear to be having a bad evening and simply want to argue with somebody, best you go find somebody else to do that with because I'm not interested!

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1 hour ago, simoh1490 said:

Thai's wait in queues respectfully, really! How long have you been here!!

 

I think it is inappropriate to refer to Chinese as "pack animals", they have a very different culture tothat in the West and they are less developed in many respects, their system of manners and courtesy is also very different - none of that makes one group right and the other group wring, manners and social etiquette 101 was written by the West but it doesn't mean the entire world has to conform.

I've been "here" in Thailand 2 months and experienced many orderly Thai queues at rail stations, banks, stores and food stands.

I've been "here" on Earth for decades and have lived in a dozen different countries...

East vs. West?

You ever been to Japan or Singapore? Orderly queues. 

Italy and France? No concept of queues.

 

But anyway, my experience of the rudest behaviors bordering on physical assault have been primarily from that one pack in question, the Chinese.

(I refer to all humans as pack animals and each pack has it's own peculiarities).

 

"their system of manners and courtesy is also very different"

More like underdeveloped and unrecognizable.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, YogaVeg said:

I've been "here" in Thailand 2 months and experienced many orderly Thai queues at rail stations, banks, stores and food stands.

I've been "here" on Earth for decades and have lived in a dozen different countries...

East vs. West?

You ever been to Japan or Singapore? Orderly queues. 

Italy and France? No concept of queues.

 

But anyway, my experience of the rudest behaviors bordering on physical assault have been primarily from that one pack in question, the Chinese.

(I refer to all humans as pack animals and each pack has it's own peculiarities).

 

"their system of manners and courtesy is also very different"

More like underdeveloped and unrecognizable.

 

 

I've been here for 16 years and have worked throughout the region for many years prior, yes, I've been to Japan and Singapore many times. You will find out in due course that most Thais do not queue, the orderly queueing you have seen is an anomaly.

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3 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

You will find out in due course that most Thais do not queue, the orderly queueing you have seen is an anomaly.

Who am I to believe, you or my lying eyes? 😂😂😂

 

 

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24 minutes ago, YogaVeg said:

Who am I to believe, you or my lying eyes? 😂😂😂

 

 

Nobody cares one jot who or what you believe, least of all me, you can deal with the inputs of others any way you wish.

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Just now, simoh1490 said:

Nobody cares one jot who or what you believe, least of all me, you can deal with the inputs of others any way you wish.

Hey, no offense buddy, but yeah my first-hand experience takes precedence.

It's just mildly amusing when folks tell me my daily experiences for 2 months are mearly an anomaly.

 

I could just as easily have the same experience for the rest of my life as be suddenly shown otherwise...

 

Who's to say what plays a part of this equation here?

Maybe you and I frequent radically different places? Maybe I'm extremely lucky and you aren't?

Maybe I'm experiencing the norm and your experiences are the anomalies?

Maybe I'm showing up respectfully and trusting, and you are showing up edgy and expecting the worst, and folks are responding in kind?

Perhaps the manner with which I approach the situation, with a positive vibe and respectful energy, encourages everyone around me to behave more appropriately?

 

In any event, I'm not being dismissive of your speculations nearly as much as simply honoring my first-hand experiences. 

 

2 months of daily experience is more of a pattern than an anomaly in my view. 🍻

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On 10/10/2018 at 12:38 AM, webfact said:

Chiang Mai Chinese tourism down! Let's be a "happy family"

Skip the "a" and "family" then I'd agree.

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Good morning.

1. Where does one go to post pictures of beautiful women, regardless of age, nationality. The post of three “Chinese” women was totally uninspiring - where should I go, with this group of blokes, to be inspired?

2. The Chinese, even more than the Russians before them, own and operate their tourist dollars in Thailand. Just because the local Thais are in a panic about occupancy does not mean tourism is down. No doubt it is, but you must start with the Chinese entry numbers at CM and BKK airports to have any clear idea of the situation.

3. Much less than 80% of the Thai melting pot are descended from Chinese. And remember that modern Chinese (Qing Dynasty) are heavily interbred with the Manchurians (Mongols). It is certainly the case that 80% of Thailand’s GDP is in the hands of Thai-Chinese.


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23 hours ago, YogaVeg said:

Perhaps the manner with which I approach the situation, with a positive vibe and respectful energy, encourages everyone around me to behave more appropriately?

By suddenly forming a queue which was non existing prior to your arrival - me thinks not.😲

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On 10/12/2018 at 3:53 PM, Bangkokazy said:

Siberia has become a popular destination for Chinese tourists

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This is the Kremlin. (not Siberia)

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