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Fake marriage to foreigners scandal: A job for Big Joke?

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Fake marriage to foreigners scandal: A job for Big Joke?

 

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The wide ranging scandal of foreigners paying Thai women for fake marriages in order to live in Thailand is fast developing. 

 

TNA are reporting that in some district offices the gangs and agents acting on behalf of the men - mostly from India and Pakistan - are being actively helped by the connivance of bent officials. 

 

In Bang Len district of Nakorn Pathom, for example, on one day alone 100 foreigners turned up to get married when there is a stated limit of 16 per day. 

 

Officials there are under investigation as are state employees in Wang Muang district of Saraburi. Fifty couples there tied the knot.

 

Thai women were paid anywhere between 5,000 baht and ten thousand.

 

The fake marriages - and there could be as many as 3,500 - have all  occurred since 2015.

 

Many Thai women barely knew who they were marrying and few lived together at all.

 

Raids have led to dozens of Pakistanis being deported and agents are starting to tumble. 

 

TNA published a picture of Maj-Gen Surachate Hakparn - known as Big Joke in the media - during his time as deputy in charge at the tourist police.

 

The suggestion is that now that Maj-Gen Surachate is head of immigration the heat will be turned up on those involved in the marriages of convenience. 

 

TNA suggested that 3,500 cases were currently under investigation with 2,000 in Saraburi and 1,000 in Nakorn Pathom, both provinces in close proximity to Bangkok.

 

Source: TNA

 

 
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15 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Raids have led to dozens of Pakistanis being deported and agents are starting to tumble. 

And what happened to the Thai ladies in question?

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And when people moan and complain about how Thai immigration processes extensions of stay for spouses; this is -- as I've been writing for years -- the reason. Fake marriages! It's not immigration deliberately being obstructive.

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define 'fake marriage' ?

is it when its not official, i.e just a village ceremony ?

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3 minutes ago, poanoi said:

define 'fake marriage' ?

is it when its not official, i.e just a village ceremony ?

As usual it got lost in translation (TIT style), the correct phrase to use is "white marriage". Fake would have been if it never really happened and they produced fake documentation.

 

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Must be a very short term benefit. In a years time the guy needs to take his wife back to get an extension. If she is unhappy she wont go. He doesn't get a work permit, he cant own land and without the wife's cooperation they cant run a business. He gets a one year visa but must have 400,000b in the bank. I can only imagine its a case of "I'm in, now I make friends with helpful officials and after a year I am hidden somewhere".

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59 minutes ago, poanoi said:

define 'fake marriage' ?

is it when its not official, i.e just a village ceremony ?

If they have officially/legally got married just so one partner can get a visa the marriage is clearly fake (fraudulent).

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11 minutes ago, elviajero said:

If they have officially/legally got married just so one partner can get a visa the marriage is clearly fake (fraudulent).

whos to say they havnt consumated the marriage ?

CCTV in the bedroom  much by the investigating arm of royal thai police force ?

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3 minutes ago, poanoi said:
14 minutes ago, elviajero said:

If they have officially/legally got married just so one partner can get a visa the marriage is clearly fake (fraudulent).

whos to say they havnt consumated the marriage ?

CCTV in the bedroom  much by the investigating arm of royal thai police force ?

Consummation has nothing to do with it! That would only be relevant if one party wanted the marriage annulled!

 

They have got married under false pretences to get a visa. It's fraud.

 

 

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1 hour ago, elviajero said:

And when people moan and complain about how Thai immigration processes extensions of stay for spouses; this is -- as I've been writing for years -- the reason. Fake marriages! It's not immigration deliberately being obstructive.

But it's not something white folk generally do, and people from the Indian continent have been playing this game all over the world for the past 60 years.

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2 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Consummation has nothing to do with it! That would only be relevant if one party wanted the marriage annulled!

 

They have got married under false pretences to get a visa. It's fraud.

 

 

i just googled 'white marriage' and that is the definition according to wikipedia, do you have any other definition

as to what constitutes a 'fraud marriage' vs marriage ?

 

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I wish my marriage was fake. It must be nice to be able to find things where you left them.

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17 minutes ago, poanoi said:

whos to say they havnt consumated the marriage ?

CCTV in the bedroom  much by the investigating arm of royal thai police force ?

 

Woody Allen's "Bananas" has a similar scene

 

 

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Funny to read Thaivisa members sound a lot different than actual news we read.

 

Thaivisa members:

Thailand is finish and DONE, last nail in coffin, ALL expats and tourist avoiding Thailand, 

Thais killed the golden goose with to many SCAMS.

visa requirements to hard,

corruption is rife...

etc etc

 

news:

record numbers through airports and need bigger terminal in Bkk,

takes 8 hours to get seen at CM immigrations because so many farang, hordes of farang on overstay cos they just dont wanna go.

millions of farang dum dums breaking laws, getting fake passport and marriage..actually doing anything so they can stay.

 

AND one of the longer threads here is about Brit Embassy will no longer authenticate your dodgy claim of income.

 

lol but everyone leaving Thailand they say

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19 minutes ago, poanoi said:
24 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Consummation has nothing to do with it! That would only be relevant if one party wanted the marriage annulled!

 

They have got married under false pretences to get a visa. It's fraud.

 

 

i just googled 'white marriage' and that is the definition according to wikipedia, do you have any other definition

as to what constitutes a 'fraud marriage' vs marriage ?

Even if a marriage is not consummated it is still legal. But, again, in this context it's irrelevant.

 

If two people get married legally; it is a legal marriage, ***BUT*** Thai immigration, and every other country in the world (probably), will not issue a visa/permit to stay if the marriage was entered into to get visa, and/or the partners are not living together as husband and wife. Under immigration rules the marriage must be de facto and de jure.

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