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This looks scary to me: https://www.thephuketnews.com/better-if-you-do-phuket-immigration-chief-urges-foreigners-to-re-register-addresses-even-if-staying-off-island-just-one-night-65744.php

 

I'm staying with my inlaws. None of us knew about this law. We are in the North of Suphanburi province. To obtain a driver's licence I needed a piece of paper showing my residence. We obtained a form (TM30?) from Singburi Immigration, got father-in-law to complete it and make out an authorisation as well, but when trying to turn this into a proof of residence they said they can't do it, wrong province. So we went to Suphanburi, about a 160 km round trip. My wife never presented the form to them, instead they made one up with my photo on it, cost 700B, no receipt. With this I got my licence.

 

It was only after this that I started learning about the TM30 and 24-h reporting. The way I understand the article, every time I spend a day away from home my father-in-law has to report my residence in person at the Suphanburi office. I'm sure when he finds out about this he will tell me to leave. I would. And if I had to do it myself I would leave.

 

My wife rung the Suphanburi office to ask about this. They confirmed it and said that now a 800B fine is due.

 

Now, apparently the law says:

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within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office located in that area, the local police official for that area must be notified.

What exactly does "area" mean? Province, Amphoe, Tambon? x km from my home? Do I just play dumb and report to the nearest cop shop? Do they need to give me a receipt?

 

What does the house master have to do if the 24 h period falls on a weekend, when the office is closed?

 

Am I worrying to much?

 

Kind regards,

Peter.

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OP, your post is a little hard to follow as to where you live and where you visited for one night.

Where you live, where you do your extension/90 days etc is where you do a TM30, technically within 24 hours of arrival or a trip away. Some immigration offices are strict, others dont care. If you dont change your address etc, most offices will only want a new TM30 if you leave thailand and return. 

A night at a different location usually doesnt require a TM30 report at the temporary location, unless you are visiting that immigration later, then they may ask why you didnt report on arrival.

Where you live permanently is also the office that would issue a Resident certificate for license etc. Its not clear but it appears you have gone to an office where dont live to try and get a Res Cert.

 

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Yes, we went to the "wrong" office first. Originally, the family were going to put my name on their house register, but that required the personal attendance of a government officer and the village head man. Unfortunately, the latter is said to be so corrupt, my family refuses to have anything to do with him.

 

My question is not about filing a TM30 for temp accommodation. Accommodation providers are responsible for that. But the way I understand the law, every time I spend one night in accommodation somewhere else another trip to Suphanburi is required. At least that's what I understand reading the article in the paper. At the very least, it would require printing out two forms, getting father-in-law to sign both and then me taking this to the office - or a cop shop, I don't know whether the latter is an option for me. For now no TM30 has been filed anywhere.

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9 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

Never done one in Phitsanulok, and been in & out of Thailand 5 times in 6 years. Move to Phitsanulok!

Never done  one at Hua Hin either, just hope it stays that way although  judging by recent  immigration changes  maybe they will start to enforce this"nonsense"

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Yes, I saw both of that. I don't understand how that is relevant, though, as in theory the rules should be the same everywhere. Hotels make these reports, so that's how they could know - in theory. (Yes, I know, TiT.)

 

Singburi looked like a very professional setup, with posters detailing how many minutes the processing of each application was going to take. They would have accepted our TM30 without a fine (many weeks overdue), but wrong province.

 

So I guess my next question is: if we don't file any TM30 can I still do my first 90 day reporting online? Or should we just make a new one, pretending I only just arrived? Or report to the cops? I just don't know where I stand and what I should do. I have a one year retirement visa from NZ.

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Great, now I'm totally confused. I think I will do nothing for now and see what happens when I do my fist 90 report online.

 

Plan B: take a hotel room in Singburi, then I can do my visa extension there.

 

If I get my name on the tabien baan, does anything change? (I see potential for lots more confusion!)

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27 minutes ago, beddhist said:

So I guess my next question is: if we don't file any TM30 can I still do my first 90 day reporting online? Or should we just make a new one, pretending I only just arrived? Or report to the cops? I just don't know where I stand and what I should do. I have a one year retirement visa from NZ.

 

4 minutes ago, beddhist said:

Great, now I'm totally confused. I think I will do nothing for now and see what happens when I do my fist 90 report online.

 

I am little confused also. You have mentioned two different provinces.

Do you live in Suphanburi?

If yes. If you have already done a TM30 report to them there should be no reason to do another one before you do your 90 day report. Best to do your first report in person though. They may disprove it since they will have no record of you doing a report to them before.

 

20 minutes ago, beddhist said:

 

If I get my name on the tabien baan, does anything change? (I see potential for lots more confusion!)

You name cannot be in a ;blue tambien baan. Only Thais and those with permanent residency can be shown in one. You could get a yellow house book based upon the families house book.

Getting a yellow house book will not change anything to with immigration. It is mostly only good for providing proof of residence for drivers licenses, opening a bank account and etc.

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beddhist....

My apologies if my previous post confused you.. it was meant to demonstrate the absurdity of the current system, into which you are now embroiled.

 

Are you here on an extension of permission to stay, or on an O-A visa? (I think, these are the only possible ways you can remain for more than 90 days, so needing to make a 90 day report.)

If you are here on an extension of a PtS, you should do your 90 day report wherever you did your extension (unless you have formally changed it to a new address).

If you're on a O-A, and you haven't yet done a 90 day report, then you must first formally register your permanent address (TM30), and use this on your 90day reports.. Some I/O's don't let you use a "temporary" address such as a hotel though.

If you're staying permanently with family, you can submit your own TM30 (provided you have signed copies of the housemasters ID, and the house blue book) - they don't need to do it themselves. 

btw, you cannot be entered into a Blue book... it's only for Thai's, although in some instances you can get a yellow book and be entered into this (although from what I understand, it's a lot or trouble, CAN be a high cost in brown envelopes, and doesn't really provide any benefits - cue other opinions here..)

 

You need to visit the I/O in the same province as the address you're registering (although some provinces share I/O's), even though it may not be the closest.  If you're trying to get a driving license, you will probably (I have heard otherwise) need to use the land transport office in the same province as your residence certificate (i.e. where you are formally/permanently registered.

 

You may be able to do your 90 day reports on-line to save you actually needing to visit your "registered" office, providing you've done at least one in person. 

The safest bet (as I alluded to in my previous post), is to keep just one formally registered address, and try to avoid being "temporarily" registered in other provinces..

Good luck..

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We live in Suphanburi province, the far North. I have never officially reported my address (TM28/30, no idea what they really are). But  the Suphanburi office gave me a form (cert. of residence?) with which I got my d/ls.

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@ steve73: Thanks for the clarification. I'm on a retirement visa. I didn't know I had to do the first 90-day report in person. What bits of paper do I need for that one?

 

The way I understand it now I had better get a TM30 done asap. I guess I can put on any date I want, so the 24h are complied with?

 

My wife does all the talking in the I/Os...

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13 minutes ago, beddhist said:

We live in Suphanburi province, the far North. I have never officially reported my address (TM28/30, no idea what they really are). But  the Suphanburi office gave me a form (cert. of residence?) with which I got my d/ls.

That means they may not want a TM30 form. They may of done the registration when you got the certificate of residency.

You can download one by clicking this. TM30 Form Notification of aliens staying at a residence

 

 

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'fraid knot! My wife rung them and explained what had happened and they said yes, they want the form and we now owe them 700B. I'm banking on them not remembering any of that. In any case, we are about to go on a trip, so I will truthfully report back on arrival.

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