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Pelosi vows to become U.S. House speaker despite opposition

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1 minute ago, Bangkok Herps said:

 

No way it is only 229, where do you come up with that?

They've already got a confirmed 231 right now and 6 more seats are still TBD.

I don't think he's been able to bring himself to look at the results since Nov 6.

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20 minutes ago, Bangkok Herps said:

 

No way it is only 229, where do you come up with that?

They've already got a confirmed 232 right now and 4 more seats are still TBD.

 

 

That being said, I hope for the Dems sake they get some fresh blood in there.

I said, if you read again 229 +/-. 

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First let me say that I am an independent voter having voted for both Democrats ,Republicans and independent candidates. At present I find my interests best represented by the democrats.

I said best, but far from perfectly.

Aside from disagreeing with Pelosi's politics because of  political orientation not compatible with democratic policy, I don't see what is wrong with Pelosi, other that she has being demonised by the right.

 She certainly has the connections and experience to deal with these politically challenging times . The republicans will love to see some inexperienced idiotic newby much in the way  Putin loved to see Trump in the white house as opposed Hillary Clinton who would had tore him a new A-hole instead of blowing him at every opportunity. 

  We don't need to be changing horses mid river, the river we were in the waters are rough.

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2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

I said, if you read again 229 +/-. 

How could it be  229 +/- when the total at the time you wrote that was at least 234 if not 235? How do you get to 234 by going in a negative direction. Had you written 234 or 235  instead of 229 you might have a point. But clearly you haven't been able to bring yourself to look at the tallies for quite some time now. 

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Sounds like 17 Democrats have said they adamantly oppose Pelosi. Let's use the 232 number and give one of the other seats making it 233 for arguments sake. 

 

233

-17

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216

 

That means they need Republicans. If not it's damn close to being the case. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

I'm in favor of Pelosi displaying her brand of crazy for a few years. It will do wonders for the 2020 reelection campaign.

She becomes a foil. Unless she moves to the center to protect the party and minimize the damage that could be caused by the left flank. 

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If Democrats are ever going to redefine themselves they need to bring in the newer generation.  If they keep backing the old war horses that need to be set up to pasture, nothing's going to change.  Heck, Trump even endorses Polosi.  And when Republicans start endorsing Polosi as speaker and Hillery Clinton for a President in 2020 - think about it.  🤔  That should say everything.  They need leaders in the party who are neither geriatrics nor have age related health problems.  But part of the party wants to simply keep banging the same drum, others want socialism/communism while believing money must grow on trees.  Then there are a few Democratic legislators out there acting on issues that have long been the floor of the Democratic agenda.  But it seems the party is hell bent on ripping itself up from within and they'll lose moderate democrats and independents who swing based on substantive issues such as myself.  I don't vote for parties, or candidates, I vote for issues. 

 

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13 minutes ago, connda said:

If Democrats are ever going to redefine themselves they need to bring in the newer generation.  If they keep backing the old war horses that need to be set up to pasture, nothing's going to change.  Heck, Trump even endorses Polosi.  That should say everything.  They need leaders in the party who are neither geriatrics nor have health problems.  But it seems the party is going to rip itself up from within and they'll lose moderate democrats and independents who swing based on substantive issues.

 

You mean substantive issues like health care?

Like the minimum wage?

Like taxation?

What substantive issues are you referring to?

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5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You mean substantive issues like health care?

Like the minimum wage?

Like taxation?

What substantive issues are you referring to?

Exactly.

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31 minutes ago, connda said:

I don't vote for parties, or candidates, I vote for issues. 

Exactly. And you can never have it all, so you look at the candidate/party who bests fulfills your desires as to issues. I break them down into three areas: Social/Economic/Foreign Policy.

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47 minutes ago, connda said:

If Democrats are ever going to redefine themselves they need to bring in the newer generation.  If they keep backing the old war horses that need to be set up to pasture, nothing's going to change.  Heck, Trump even endorses Polosi.  And when Republicans start endorsing Polosi as speaker and Hillery Clinton for a President in 2020 - think about it.  🤔  That should say everything.  They need leaders in the party who are neither geriatrics nor have age related health problems.  But part of the party wants to simply keep banging the same drum, others want socialism/communism while believing money must grow on trees.  Then there are a few Democratic legislators out there acting on issues that have long been the floor of the Democratic agenda.  But it seems the party is hell bent on ripping itself up from within and they'll lose moderate democrats and independents who swing based on substantive issues such as myself.  I don't vote for parties, or candidates, I vote for issues. 

 

So Pelosi is old at 78 but Trump who will be 74 in 2020 is young? How do you think Trump is doing among younger people? How will the Republcans redefine themselves with Trump at the helm?

And on the substantive issues, Democrats are far more popular on most than are Republcans.

 

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5 hours ago, mikebike said:

Really? You feel it would be best to go with the horse which presided over the biggest Dem losses, nationally and at the state level, that the party has ever seen? Good call.

Moves to the center? She is barley “left” on social issues and is further “right” economically than a classic Reagan republican to begin with.

I blame Obama and not pelosi, and will attempt to explain why below.

I have no love lost for the Democrats, I simply see them as closer aligned to my interests but by no stretch of the imagination perfectly aligned.

 At this point they are the lesser evil and only choice.

I am afraid you are giving Pelosi more credit than she deserves, tough she  had her part to play in losing the house, she certainly did not preside over the state, senate, or executive, There is a lot of blame to go around, and if she is to be blamed for losing the house then should she not be credited for winning it back?

IMO we are where we are because of Obama's deal with the devil.

When Obama gained the Democratic nomination, to win the presidency he made a deal with the Clintons, Hillary was made Secretary of state State to build up her resumate , and was promised her turn at the presidency eight years later.

 During the Democratic primary elections for the nomination there were a lot of threads running on TVF with many supporting Hillary, I supported Sanders with my actions and my gold  and was consistent in stating what the Republicans will do with all Hillary's baggage.

Which is exactly what happened. In addition, americans do not like a coronation. Hillary dragged down the rest of the tiket.

 Though there is a lot of blame to go around, I Blame Obama and not Pelosi. 

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