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Come back Farangs! Tourism in Chiang Mai decimated by Chinese exodus

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"She was now forced to offer rooms by the month at discounts". 

 

Welcome to business philosophy!

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Maybe the current "administration" is just preparing to finally get elected ???

1. Bring down the tourist numbers so that everybody calls on the "Government" to solve the problem

2. Solve the problem shortly before the elections and you will be elected !!!

 

Works all the time in any country I can imagine !!!

People are just to ignorant [or stupid] to see that this kind of thing happens all the time for

maybe the last 250 years all over the world.

 

Just as a side note:

Tourism from China is heavily regulated and controlled by the Chinese Government !

Give the Chinese what they want and they send Millions of tourists.

[A railway to Singapore and a Canal for the ships !]

And they can control WHEN they do it !!! All you need is to make a deal with them.

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25 minutes ago, moe666 said:

The fact that a few people are refused entry because of an appearance of living here with the stamps and multiply tourist visas is not one of the pressing concerns of the occassional tourist who probably knows nothing about that particular crack down. 

Apparently quiet a lot of people know about it, I can say that probably the most frequently asked question on Facebook groups of tourist and backpackers is about the requirement to don't get refused while entering Thailand...

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2 hours ago, sanemax said:

Isnt Karma all about the next life and nothing to do with this life ?


In Buddhism It can carry over lifetimes, but essentially Karma is translated from Pali as 'action' - it is all about how you actions mentally and physically, impact those around you, including yourself. It can be thought of as cause and effect 

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2 hours ago, sanemax said:

Isnt Karma all about the next life and nothing to do with this life ?

If a Thai is unlucky enough to meet their demise after an amulet failure then they're more than happy to be reincarnated as a chicken tomorrow morning.  I'm serious.  

 

 

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Is this a typo as far as I'm aware chinese are not farangs. And as for Thais they don't care till the shit hits the fan then have a big cry about it. 

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7 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Cheap tourist visa's not working?

Wrong, wrong wrong. The story reported yesterday says the waiving of tourist fees has been an instant smashing success and that tourists have returned and all is well. One story must be fake news and I am sure the TAT as a government agency would never mislead the public. :tongue:

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First we are told that everything is booming. Now the opposite. So what is it????

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Well, I wanted to come over for xmas and new year from Auss

No flights available be tween 13 th and 31 st- 12-2018 so somebody is coming there

But not meee  😪

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1 hour ago, donnacha said:

Thailand spent 50 years building up a strong brand in the West as an idyllic tourist destination, but the junta turned against Western tourism because Western governments (most notably John Kerry as US Secretary of State) gently asked about when the promised election would be, causing them to lose face.

The Chinese government ask no such questions and are happy to loan the money for the sort of major infrastructural projects that will allow the generals to keep socking away billions in their Swiss bank accounts for as long as they can cling onto power. (It is worth noting that new Malaysian government has rejected all such Chinese schemes as being a terrible deal that would leave their people with debt and other problems for decades to come).

Part of the necessary narrative was that China is the future, while the West is over, we don't need them, their tourists are low-quality, they have been short-changing Thailand for decades. The worst offenders were the farangs who had been visiting most often and who had the deepest ties to Thailand. That was why they made visas so much tougher and introduced ridiculous hurdles such as having to carry 20K in cash. The underlying message was "On the whole, we'd rather you didn't come here".

The familiar old Western tourism was not as exciting as the dizzying rise in Chinese tourism, mainly propelled by an (at the time) attractive exchange rate, a bubble economy in China, and the impact of Lost in Thailand, which became the highest grossing movie of all time in China when it was released in 2012. That made the idea of visiting Thailand fashionable, but fashions fade over time.

The Chinese will continue to come in large numbers, that is not going to change, and the also potentially huge wave of Indian tourists has not really even started yet, but no number of emerging countries are ever going to become a permanent replacement for the deeply entrenched Western tourism that the junta decided to piss away. We saw this with the Russians, with the Thai government making all sorts of specials deals such as eliminating airport taxes for Russian planes, and in they flooded for a few years, but now where are they?

If the junta do reduce Tourist Visa red-tape to the pre-junta levels, as rumored, that would indicate a realization, at some level, that they made a mistake, but the damage is already done and will take many years to reverse. Enough people are now aware of the possibility of being refused entry for some trivial reason, obliterating the previous image of Thailand as being "sabai sabai", a tropical idyll where you didn't have to deal with the red-tape of life at home.

Thailand is still, of course, a fine vacation destination in many ways, but it is no longer as easy to recommend as it once was. It has all been very foolish, entirely unnecessary, and very sad when you consider the amount of regular money that has been taken away from the parts of Thai society who needed it most - who, now, will pay the vet bills for all those sick buffalos? 

"...........the damage is already done and will take many years to reverse"

 

And such is the way of the world! I remember a certain area where I used to live that had 4 or 5 Working Men's Clubs all within a couple of hundred yards of each other. In spite of the Clubs having the same standard of entertainment from week to week, one was always doing much better than the others until they had an act not turn up. or a bad comedian etc, and the next week the bulk of the clientele had moved on to one of the other Clubs, and it took many years for the punters to return to their original haunt.

 

One can make many similar analogies, but the message is clear - the bubble can burst at any time, so there's no need for you to stick a pin in it yourself! Which is exactly what is happening here, and the clientele/tourists will soon find another Club/Country to take their entrance fee and sell them drink if you don't look after them!

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7 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Cheap tourist visa's not working?

Just 2 days ago they said free visas was already showing an increase in numbers after only 1 week... I guess they didn't all get their stories straight.

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It does seem like there are fewer Chinese tourists and language students in the Chang Klan area of CM, compared to this time last year.  I have been renting a condo vs buying because it seemed that Chinese speculators had driven up the condo sales market.  Is there any sign that Chinese landlords are voting with their feet too (selling out)?

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Come back Farangs?
Why? Also the Chinese have good reasons to leave Thailand, but the Thais do not realize yet how their draconian laws have killed the tourism.
This morning at a checkpoint a  policeman reminded me that I am in THAI-LAND exactly dividing the word into two (Thai and Land) as if to say that I am just a guest or, better, alien (not even particularly welcome).
After the Chinese exodus are you recalling the western tourists?

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Som nam naa..........Just came back from Penang this morning, there were three westerners on the whole train, it used to be packed out and one hell of a session....... now it's dead, along with many other places that made Thailand once the best night out in the world....... Mind you it's the first time that i've walked through immigration without a question, i think he was about to say welcome, but face took over........

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2 hours ago, fanjita said:

All very valid points but don't forget the ever continuing strong Thai Baht in all of this.  It's a relevant part of the jigsaw that is tourism.

Currency exchange rate is the BIG part of the tourism industry, somehow the boss didn't see it YET

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