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Come back Farangs! Tourism in Chiang Mai decimated by Chinese exodus

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I will never recommend Thailand again to anyone and vehemently encourage them to stay away after the way I and others I know have been treated by Thai immigration. 

 

Why on earth would I tell anyone I know to come to a place that has dictatorial 24 hour address registrations, useless burdensome 90 day check ins, racist dual pricing policies, insane customs bureau that will scam you on duty and taxes any chance they get, and an immigration system that will deny, change, and says and does whatever it wants regardless if you are just trying to do the right thing and follow the law. 

 

I hope their economy gets slammed hard for the crap good honest foreigners have had to put up with these last few years. 

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Every time a country/ destination focuses on one single origin of tourists, there will be problems down the road.  I have seen this in Hawaii with their reliance on Japanese, in Miami with the focus on South America..  Once these sources of tourists decline, there is head-scratching by officials and business owners.

 

Also, every time one group of visitors takes over there will be a decline from other markets as their tourists will feel less appreciated by the host-country.  It's a vicious cycle as hotels and destinations take the easy way to attract more tourists from the "bubble-countries" and try to maximize short-term ROI on any marketing expenses.  By doing so, they are increasing the number of "mass-tourists" prompting business to cater even more to that group and their preferences (food in hotels, language spoken by staff), which then leads to a further decline in other tourists.  In addition, large groups of visitors from one single region are always considered to be "pushy, rude, unsophisticated and cheap" from the other nationalities.

 

Yes, I understand that it is easier to market to countries that are culturally similar to the destination, speak the same language etc but every business would be well advised to have a Plan B and diversify its source-markets.

 

In short - don't put all your eggs in one basket

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For farangs to come in big numbers we need an express farang lane at the airport, abolishment of 90 day reporting, free one year tourist visa's with the possibility of a free one year extension, tax on wine and spirits to be abolished, etc, etc, etc.😁

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Oh! Now they want us back! 

 

As a 7+ year resident of CM, I won't miss the Chinese one bit! Good riddance.

 

My taxi driver from the airport last week said he doesn't need them either. With the "zero tour" packages, he said he makes absolutely no money from Chinese tourists...and he wants farang to come to CM. 

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Thank the 'Junta' for it....... No other countries trust a country without a 'real' government and especially when they don't take of tourists that do come.........

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10 hours ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

It seems abundantly clear that wherever the Chinese go en masse, is subsequently avoided by everyone else. Sihanoukville is a classic example. Five years ago it was packed with tourists from everywhere, the Chinese invaded and everybody else has left. And once the good tourists have gone, they don't come back. Thailand put its eggs in the Chinese basket, and are now paying the price.

Chinese are loud, rude, uncouth, and sure that the rest of the worlds population, including the Thais, are there only to service Chinese overlords. From craping on wat floors, peeing in klongs while crowds of people go by, to using sharp elbows to push through lines where civilized people have been patiently waiting....yes, I stay as far away from them as possible and I'm sure I'm not the only.

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CM has plenty of tourists right now. It just isn’t bursting at the gills when the Chinese were crawling absolutely everywhere. I do not miss their swarms. 

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Thailand keeps trying to get people to spend more and shop more.  How about making it easier and more attractive for ex pats?  Stop the constant visa and income stuff changes.  Expats spend a lot of money in Thailand, all that they have typically.  Just drawing in hoardes of budget travelers and group tours which are typical of the Chinese, I don't think is a big economic thing.  Measurable yes, but significant?  It is only significant if people built and expanded and were expecting big returns that I don't think are there

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and GUESS WHAT COULD HAPPEN NEXT ?

 

The much maligned, FERANG EX-PATS will decide they’ve had a Gut Full of being treated as Third Class Squatters.

 

Hit up the Ferang for more money for everything you can think of, ”rip ‘em off,” they’ve all got plenty of money.

 

Ditch Yingluck’s FERANG HEALTH INSURANCE SCHEME....let them, dielike Dogs in the Soi...plenty more to replace them !

 

If the FERANG all go home or make their homes in more Welcoming and Accommodating Countries.....THAILAND might just Wake-up....BUT...

It will be TOO LATE ! 

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Yes if they treated expats or future expatriates better they would be fine with revenue. Expats are made to jump through hoops a dog would wimper to do if told. Their 90 day check in and tm 30 BS is way too much. Home checks and I won’t do this and that forms they gave a sign with pictures of the jk e and family if have one are a full mockery of how to treat a hunan being. 3rd class citizen I could accept if I was at least allowed to become one without all their Regime Totalitarian crap enforced on is. But it is near impossible. I would only wish all other countries treated their Thai citizen expats the same, but other countries are more responsible and respectful. One word . Racists

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Yep....example: Ferang can’t own the land under the house they buy to house Thai Spouse and Family....just PAY the money, put the property in Spouse’s name. All okay BUT what if...Spouse Dies, Marriage Breaks Down or in any other unforeseen situation... FERANG IS OUT “in the cold...figuratively.”

 

 

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11 hours ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

It seems abundantly clear that wherever the Chinese go en masse, is subsequently avoided by everyone else. Sihanoukville is a classic example. Five years ago it was packed with tourists from everywhere, the Chinese invaded and everybody else has left. And once the good tourists have gone, they don't come back. Thailand put its eggs in the Chinese basket, and are now paying the price.

I hope so... it's deserved . 

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5 hours ago, moe666 said:
11 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

My wife works at a tourist attraction in the Mesa Valley, business is booming and she's rushed off her feet, fewer Chinese but still plenty of tourists. AND, try driving the 107 and 1096 on a weekend, it's becoming manic with huge delays and queues. Sooo, if Muang is lite on tourists I don't know where the ones we're seeing are staying and eating. 

This article is out of date, they say the last 2 months well guess what that is the traditional low season. Tourism has picked up in CM as of this week the hotel my wife works at is fully booked and a friends guest house as of last night had 2 rooms availiable. My massage lady was jumping today when I went in for my 11am 4 chinese getting massage. Maddogs at 10am had around 15 folks enjoying breakfast which is a big increase from low season. Lots of chinese walking around and there seems to be alot of spanish speaking folks around. Do not put too much stock in a news article that seems to be promoting doom and gloom

Sorry if I do not put too much stock in you guys

 

Got your Pom Poms on ... Go Cheer-leader Go!! OK,  go to Soi 1 Ratchadamnoen and see how many are there and how many hotels - boutique and GH have no people.

Hey I moved  out two weeks ago to a condo - but it was so dead, the tuk tuk girl quit coming. She used to park out in front to the Vieng Mantra - Now a lot more farang in town as it is November and Loy Khratong BUT BUT  ................ I was in what is left of Kad Suan Gaeow shopping mall this afternoon. That will depress the heck out of you. 

I have this lease for a year but I dam well hope their is improvement because I do not want to live in a depressed town. I could go to Cleveland, likely cheaper, and a more upbeat populace.

 

 

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Lets try and put this in perspective and annualise why Chiang Mai is no longer a tourist attraction:

1.       Virtually no nightlife. I`ve been in the town on occasions when everything seems to be packing up at 10.00pm.

2.       Whether some like the girly beerbars or not they still brought in the western tourists. The LK Road has become dilapidated dump, and if guys fancy a late night drink with some female company, there is virtually nothing.

3.       Duel Farang and Thai pricing for the usual tourist attractions that can all be covered in about 3 days.

4.        Dirty, filthy massage parlours mostly staffed by old grannies that most have transformed into happy ending parlours for desperate old men.

5.       The choking season,  usually from February to the end of April. A period when there is a mass exodus of expats from the city.

6.       The strong baht Vs weak western currencies. Nothing seems to knock the baht off it`s perch.

7.       The Thai mentality that during the so-called high season that`s not happening, when short of customers is to increase their prices rather than decrease their prices to attract more customers in.

8.       An abundance of over priced Spas, that can charge several thousand bahts for a couple of hour

Sure I can think of a lot more if I put my mind to it.

The city has lost it`s zest, it has simply become bland and boring. 3 or 4 days is enough for any visiting tourists and if seen it once, no point in returning. There`s been nothing new here for years.

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