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Come back Farangs! Tourism in Chiang Mai decimated by Chinese exodus

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5 hours ago, moe666 said:
11 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

My wife works at a tourist attraction in the Mesa Valley, business is booming and she's rushed off her feet, fewer Chinese but still plenty of tourists. AND, try driving the 107 and 1096 on a weekend, it's becoming manic with huge delays and queues. Sooo, if Muang is lite on tourists I don't know where the ones we're seeing are staying and eating. 

This article is out of date, they say the last 2 months well guess what that is the traditional low season. Tourism has picked up in CM as of this week the hotel my wife works at is fully booked and a friends guest house as of last night had 2 rooms availiable. My massage lady was jumping today when I went in for my 11am 4 chinese getting massage. Maddogs at 10am had around 15 folks enjoying breakfast which is a big increase from low season. Lots of chinese walking around and there seems to be alot of spanish speaking folks around. Do not put too much stock in a news article that seems to be promoting doom and gloom

Sorry if I do not put too much stock in you guys

 

Got your Pom Poms on ... Go Cheer-leader Go!! OK,  go to Soi 1 Ratchadamnoen and see how many are there and how many hotels - boutique and GH have no people.

Hey I moved  out two weeks ago to a condo - but it was so dead, the tuk tuk girl quit coming. She used to park out in front to the Vieng Mantra - Now a lot more farang in town as it is November and Loy Khratong BUT BUT  ................ I was in what is left of Kad Suan Gaeow shopping mall this afternoon. That will depress the heck out of you. 

I have this lease for a year but I dam well hope their is improvement because I do not want to live in a depressed town. I could go to Cleveland, likely cheaper, and a more upbeat populace.

 

 

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Lets try and put this in perspective and annualise why Chiang Mai is no longer a tourist attraction:

1.       Virtually no nightlife. I`ve been in the town on occasions when everything seems to be packing up at 10.00pm.

2.       Whether some like the girly beerbars or not they still brought in the western tourists. The LK Road has become dilapidated dump, and if guys fancy a late night drink with some female company, there is virtually nothing.

3.       Duel Farang and Thai pricing for the usual tourist attractions that can all be covered in about 3 days.

4.        Dirty, filthy massage parlours mostly staffed by old grannies that most have transformed into happy ending parlours for desperate old men.

5.       The choking season,  usually from February to the end of April. A period when there is a mass exodus of expats from the city.

6.       The strong baht Vs weak western currencies. Nothing seems to knock the baht off it`s perch.

7.       The Thai mentality that during the so-called high season that`s not happening, when short of customers is to increase their prices rather than decrease their prices to attract more customers in.

8.       An abundance of over priced Spas, that can charge several thousand bahts for a couple of hour

Sure I can think of a lot more if I put my mind to it.

The city has lost it`s zest, it has simply become bland and boring. 3 or 4 days is enough for any visiting tourists and if seen it once, no point in returning. There`s been nothing new here for years.

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Good deflection but ... 

 

Western tourism was trending down for a couple reason, one of which was a long term policy by the powers that be from both colors and non color governments to find another tourist base as in NOT western tourists. they had there reasons   BUT I doubt any of them will say what they were NOW.

 

More specific. Three years of massive overbuilding. The Chinese market was looked upon as the next cash cow, A Gold Rush, so lots of money poured into CM and now the tide goes out and you have massive oversupply for what western tourists still come despite all the reasons the powers that be have given NOT TO COME. Those tourists should get a medal.

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, vinegarbase said:

I will never recommend Thailand again to anyone and vehemently encourage them to stay away after the way I and others I know have been treated by Thai immigration. 

 

Why on earth would I tell anyone I know to come to a place that has dictatorial 24 hour address registrations, useless burdensome 90 day check ins, racist dual pricing policies, insane customs bureau that will scam you on duty and taxes any chance they get, and an immigration system that will deny, change, and says and does whatever it wants regardless if you are just trying to do the right thing and follow the law. 

 

I hope their economy gets slammed hard for the crap good honest foreigners have had to put up with these last few years. 

Your post is true to your screen name vinegarbase.

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13 hours ago, ezzra said:

Yes dear Farangs, please come back, we want you now we need you now, never minds that when the Chinese were here we didn't even gave a second look, but now, please come back dears...

We don't really want you, just leave your wallets and go.

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9 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

My wife and I were discussing this issue at lunch today, shortly afterwards the lovely Lemon, my wife's Chinese language teacher of two years ago called so wifey put the question to her - by way of background: Lemon is Chinese aged 25 years, she came to Chiang Mai to teach Mandarin for six months before returning home to study for her MBA. she and wifey became close friends and they speak almost weekly.

 

Lemon says there are a number of reasons why the Chinese aren't visiting currently: some are unhappy with Mr Loadsa Watches remarks following the sinking of the boat in Phuket, blaming the Chinese owner went down like a lead balloon and there is resentment which spread quickly. Without prompting she added that currency weakness is an issue, mass-market tours operate on slim margins which have now been eroded to almost nothing hence that sector is hurting. The final point she made was that whilst Thailand is still a prefered destination for many the cleaner air and scenic beauty of the South is prefered by many to the pollution in the North. Those things said she tells that several of her friends from school will visit the North at Xmas/New Year but they have money so exchange rates not so much of an issue.

My wife is half-blood Chinese. Her Mum is full-blood and they have a pretty solid Chinese connection still but came from poor farming stock but became landowners here. What is written above is pretty true. There was a CNN report that was very damaging over the Boat incident and it really went down like a lead balloon and as mentioned, that resentment has not faded. In fact, from what I can tell, it is still very fresh.

 

The Yuan is weaker as well and my wife says the Chinese get very bored very quickly. Just a few days here, they want to go South as after doing just the "Valley" and the "Temples" and few other things, Chiang Mai has become as boring as hell. Yet for the Chinese, what simoh1490 said is pretty right. One of my wifes good friends went back to Shanghai last week and she said she won't be back until after April due to smoke.

 

Other Australian friends of mine come yearly but only come from October to February due to the same reasons. My parents come during the wet season to get away from Winter in Australia and the air quality to them is also important to them during these times. I really do not know how much damage is getting done via air control for Chiang Mai, but I think it is starting to hurt. This year I will not be in Chiang Mai for Choking Season.

 

My wife says for free Visas to be issued, they are trying to get back into damage control but it may be a bit late. A good friend of mine is in Bali and said it is loaded with Chinese this year more so than others. It will be interesting to see what is going to happen.

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Lately, tourists are universally treated like second class citizens. Unmotivating to spend money at a holiday destination when you feel unwelcome. 

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I`ve got news for you. It`s not only the Chinese that get very bored very quickly, just spend a few days in Chiang Mai, then decide to go South as after doing just the "Valley" and the "Temples" and few other things.

 

Many of my British and American friends, some married to Thais but living abroad, used to holiday in Thailand every year and during their holiday would visit Chiang Mai. Now none of them when they holiday in Thailand bother travelling up to Chiang Mai any more. All said the same thing, nothing new here, virtually no nightlife and boring, so they stopped coming.

 

Regarding my British friends, another factor that`s putting them off Thailand, is the fact that Sterling has crashed through the floor and with the continuing strong Thai baht, visiting Thailand works out to be a very expensive holiday indeed. They can obtain much better deals elsewhere, especially considering Chiang Mai has so little to offer, it`s just not good value for money and not worth the trip.

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The only thing I liked last year was the road from Chiang Mai to Pai on a Motorbike, still one of the best in Thailand.

Chiang Mai itself was simply boring,

no real Thailand anymore hence no attraction for Tourists experience the Thai way of living

but also not a Tourist place with all its necessary attractions.

At 22:00 I had already the feeling I am in a Ghost Town somewhere in the middle of nowhere. 

 

 

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What was it Joni Mitchell said...”don’t it always seem to be that you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone” come back farangs we were only kidding 

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16 hours ago, webfact said:

She was now forced to offer rooms by the month at discounts. These traditionally might attract more Westerners on longer stays. 

How unusual. From what I've seen in the past, hotels usually RAISE their prices to try and make up for lack of business - and we know how well THAT works!

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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This most hapless of administrations has enjoyed very little success. One of the few successes they have had has been to decimate the number of Western tourists visiting Thailand.

I'm currently in the states, helping a dying relative pass over to the other side. Because of this new round of clueless, hapless administration decisions, I'm returning to Thailand in January, closing out the apartment I still have, and will start looking to relocate elsewhere once this caregiving bout is over. There is a radical change permeating throughout LOS. It's been a slow creep coming in, but it feels like a tsunami is about to break. It's just not fun any more!

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12 hours ago, gamini said:

I think all the moaning about Chinese tourists is done by the bar owners massage parlours and bar girls. The Chinese avoid these sort of places. I think the real problem is the decline of sexpats and sex tourists.

You honestly believe Chiang Mai was ever a major destination for sex tourists ?

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