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Come back Farangs! Tourism in Chiang Mai decimated by Chinese exodus

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Good deflection but ... 

 

Western tourism was trending down for a couple reason, one of which was a long term policy by the powers that be from both colors and non color governments to find another tourist base as in NOT western tourists. they had there reasons   BUT I doubt any of them will say what they were NOW.

 

More specific. Three years of massive overbuilding. The Chinese market was looked upon as the next cash cow, A Gold Rush, so lots of money poured into CM and now the tide goes out and you have massive oversupply for what western tourists still come despite all the reasons the powers that be have given NOT TO COME. Those tourists should get a medal.

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, vinegarbase said:

I will never recommend Thailand again to anyone and vehemently encourage them to stay away after the way I and others I know have been treated by Thai immigration. 

 

Why on earth would I tell anyone I know to come to a place that has dictatorial 24 hour address registrations, useless burdensome 90 day check ins, racist dual pricing policies, insane customs bureau that will scam you on duty and taxes any chance they get, and an immigration system that will deny, change, and says and does whatever it wants regardless if you are just trying to do the right thing and follow the law. 

 

I hope their economy gets slammed hard for the crap good honest foreigners have had to put up with these last few years. 

Your post is true to your screen name vinegarbase.

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13 hours ago, ezzra said:

Yes dear Farangs, please come back, we want you now we need you now, never minds that when the Chinese were here we didn't even gave a second look, but now, please come back dears...

We don't really want you, just leave your wallets and go.

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This most hapless of administrations has enjoyed very little success. One of the few successes they have had has been to decimate the number of Western tourists visiting Thailand. It happened for so many reasons. Five years ago I knew several wealthy families from Europe that would come and spend $1000 a night on hotels and drop $50,000 on a ten day trip here. Few of those high end western tourists come to Thailand anymore. 

 

No amount of wishing is going to bring them back. Thank Prayuth for this blunder. They gambled on the zero baht Chinese. It was a disastrous decision. A historic mistake that the Thai people are paying for, and will continue to pay for, for decades to come. 

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Thailand. You really messed up big time. Hospitality is not your strong point.

Chiang Mai Immigration is a confusing disgrace and a very unwelcoming vibe.

The air and water pollution is awful.. Smokey season or not.

Restaurants need to learn how to care for customers.. Greeting.. Menu.. WAIT.. take order.. Serve food.. Check if customer needs anything.. Let them enjoy. Then take the money. Easy peasy.

Less motorbike scams.. Less greedy bastards period. Then we will enjoy Thailand more.



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9 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

My wife and I were discussing this issue at lunch today, shortly afterwards the lovely Lemon, my wife's Chinese language teacher of two years ago called so wifey put the question to her - by way of background: Lemon is Chinese aged 25 years, she came to Chiang Mai to teach Mandarin for six months before returning home to study for her MBA. she and wifey became close friends and they speak almost weekly.

 

Lemon says there are a number of reasons why the Chinese aren't visiting currently: some are unhappy with Mr Loadsa Watches remarks following the sinking of the boat in Phuket, blaming the Chinese owner went down like a lead balloon and there is resentment which spread quickly. Without prompting she added that currency weakness is an issue, mass-market tours operate on slim margins which have now been eroded to almost nothing hence that sector is hurting. The final point she made was that whilst Thailand is still a prefered destination for many the cleaner air and scenic beauty of the South is prefered by many to the pollution in the North. Those things said she tells that several of her friends from school will visit the North at Xmas/New Year but they have money so exchange rates not so much of an issue.

My wife is half-blood Chinese. Her Mum is full-blood and they have a pretty solid Chinese connection still but came from poor farming stock but became landowners here. What is written above is pretty true. There was a CNN report that was very damaging over the Boat incident and it really went down like a lead balloon and as mentioned, that resentment has not faded. In fact, from what I can tell, it is still very fresh.

 

The Yuan is weaker as well and my wife says the Chinese get very bored very quickly. Just a few days here, they want to go South as after doing just the "Valley" and the "Temples" and few other things, Chiang Mai has become as boring as hell. Yet for the Chinese, what simoh1490 said is pretty right. One of my wifes good friends went back to Shanghai last week and she said she won't be back until after April due to smoke.

 

Other Australian friends of mine come yearly but only come from October to February due to the same reasons. My parents come during the wet season to get away from Winter in Australia and the air quality to them is also important to them during these times. I really do not know how much damage is getting done via air control for Chiang Mai, but I think it is starting to hurt. This year I will not be in Chiang Mai for Choking Season.

 

My wife says for free Visas to be issued, they are trying to get back into damage control but it may be a bit late. A good friend of mine is in Bali and said it is loaded with Chinese this year more so than others. It will be interesting to see what is going to happen.

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Lately, tourists are universally treated like second class citizens. Unmotivating to spend money at a holiday destination when you feel unwelcome. 

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I`ve got news for you. It`s not only the Chinese that get very bored very quickly, just spend a few days in Chiang Mai, then decide to go South as after doing just the "Valley" and the "Temples" and few other things.

 

Many of my British and American friends, some married to Thais but living abroad, used to holiday in Thailand every year and during their holiday would visit Chiang Mai. Now none of them when they holiday in Thailand bother travelling up to Chiang Mai any more. All said the same thing, nothing new here, virtually no nightlife and boring, so they stopped coming.

 

Regarding my British friends, another factor that`s putting them off Thailand, is the fact that Sterling has crashed through the floor and with the continuing strong Thai baht, visiting Thailand works out to be a very expensive holiday indeed. They can obtain much better deals elsewhere, especially considering Chiang Mai has so little to offer, it`s just not good value for money and not worth the trip.

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The only thing I liked last year was the road from Chiang Mai to Pai on a Motorbike, still one of the best in Thailand.

Chiang Mai itself was simply boring,

no real Thailand anymore hence no attraction for Tourists experience the Thai way of living

but also not a Tourist place with all its necessary attractions.

At 22:00 I had already the feeling I am in a Ghost Town somewhere in the middle of nowhere. 

 

 

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What was it Joni Mitchell said...”don’t it always seem to be that you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone” come back farangs we were only kidding 

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16 hours ago, webfact said:

She was now forced to offer rooms by the month at discounts. These traditionally might attract more Westerners on longer stays. 

How unusual. From what I've seen in the past, hotels usually RAISE their prices to try and make up for lack of business - and we know how well THAT works!

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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This most hapless of administrations has enjoyed very little success. One of the few successes they have had has been to decimate the number of Western tourists visiting Thailand.

I'm currently in the states, helping a dying relative pass over to the other side. Because of this new round of clueless, hapless administration decisions, I'm returning to Thailand in January, closing out the apartment I still have, and will start looking to relocate elsewhere once this caregiving bout is over. There is a radical change permeating throughout LOS. It's been a slow creep coming in, but it feels like a tsunami is about to break. It's just not fun any more!

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12 hours ago, gamini said:

I think all the moaning about Chinese tourists is done by the bar owners massage parlours and bar girls. The Chinese avoid these sort of places. I think the real problem is the decline of sexpats and sex tourists.

You honestly believe Chiang Mai was ever a major destination for sex tourists ?

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2 hours ago, totally thaied up said:

 

 

My wife says for free Visas to be issued, they are trying to get back into damage control but it may be a bit late. A good friend of mine is in Bali and said it is loaded with Chinese this year more so than others. It will be interesting to see what is going to happen.

I have been to Chiang Mai many times (for a reason) but must admit that I have often wondered what a tourist finds to do after about 3 or 4 days.

I have been to Bali once and unless I missed something, I find even less of interest for a tourist to do there.

I would also personally rate CM well above Bali as it relates to safety.

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