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If you can spare half an hour, Jason Fung explains why diets don't work in the long term and why the calories in/calories out model is just wrong.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Shiver said:

Bottom line, I think calorie restriction is not the way to go if you want lasting results.  If you were slim as a teenager thought then there are much less expensive ways to get back to that if you're prepared to take a slower route (eg. over a year or so)

Hi Shiv... Yes. I was slim as can be until about 30 yrs old... PM me your method and maybe I will give it a try and be your first guinea pig... thanks.

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Almost every year some doctor comes out with new theory and new methods and yet the old good Calorie diet stood the test of time .

 

of course you gain weight back on if you start to eat like a pig again.

 

eating healthy is a life style not a hobby 

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it is difficult, i gained weight from age 44, was always 83 and then it went up. I stopped having deserts, sugar in coffee (substitute), drinking sugar cola (substitute no sugar cola), cookies, was using olive oil for frying. I was still moving, every day for years on bike to work and work was also physical active. It didnt help, i still gained weight. it ran up to 103 kg. It only went down, having protein shakes and drink lots of water. I was on that diet, is 500kcal/day and then still with all the activities, bicycle, work. I lost then 10 kg in 1 month. You know what happend when i stopped diet after a month, it came back on again.

So only thing is eat low calories and move a lot, go swim, <deleted> a lot, walk, whatever.

You do see in people getting older , gaining weight, started with me at 44. Hate it.

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Can anyone please point me in the right direction for online shopping outlets where's it's possible to buy shirts, shorts or footware in established Big/Tall UK/US sizes as opposed to the Chinese variants which wouldn't fit if I was still at school (despite being labelled to the contrary!)?

Ebay or Lazada proved fruitless & local shops think everyone's a dwarf 🤭

 

Thanks all; PMs are fine so as not to torpedo the thread.

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On 12/5/2018 at 10:12 AM, evadgib said:

Yours is a fad diet too but good luck if it works 🙂

Plant only based food diet is NOT a fad. Scientifically proven, in many cases since the 1920's but suppressed by Governments and self-interest parties, that include the meat, dairy and egg industry. Do some proper research before you condemn.

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1 hour ago, ChrisKC said:

Plant only based food diet is NOT a fad. Scientifically proven, in many cases since the 1920's but suppressed by Governments and self-interest parties, that include the meat, dairy and egg industry. Do some proper research before you condemn.

The irony being your #16 which more or less said "don't go on a fad diet except this one" for which I was clearly joking & not expecting your vegan-esque / "professional victim" reply.

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On 12/5/2018 at 10:14 PM, FracturedRabbit said:

If you can spare half an hour, Jason Fung explains why diets don't work in the long term and why the calories in/calories out model is just wrong.

 

 

Wrong? Guys , women on fitness eat a lot every day. I know a guy, eating everyday 2000 kcal, now he has six pack and is very slim, working out. Now he wants his body to grow and starts to have 3000 kcal/day, and ofcourse exercise everyday for hours. So in and out is though very important. 

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On 12/6/2018 at 5:29 AM, kenk24 said:

Hi Shiv... Yes. I was slim as can be until about 30 yrs old... PM me your method and maybe I will give it a try and be your first guinea pig... thanks.

If you take Nicotinamide MonoNucleotide (aka NMN which is in the Vitamin B family), it is showing some promise in increasing health span.  It also gently helps resist weight gain in the way a more youthful person naturally would, it would also reduce your biological age.  That's not to say that you'll grow a full head of golden locks and erase wrinkles, but that you'll be squeaky and shiny on the inside.  Lots to read up on that, so would suggest you do a search on "NMN Dr Sinclair".

It seems to work more noticeably on older people than younger, effects like a lot more energy on demand, focus, 'wanting' to expend energy (ask a 4 year old to go to the end of the garden and they'll run there.  Ask a retired person and likely they'll make odd noises as they get themselves out of the chair and walk instead).  Good for endurance exercise as well - 15% is an often quoted increase.

One important addition that seems to get overlooked though, is that it seems to add energy for a few days, then you hit a wall and get the opposite.  This is easily overcome by taking a Methyl donor to supplement all the extra demand, and means it is sustainable year round.  One good candidate is TriMethylGlycine (also called TMG or Betaine).  Best way that is simple is get them as powders and add in a 1:1 ratio in a dropper bottle and top it up with water to dissolve it.  A dropper under the tongue 2 or 3 times a day in a strength to achieve maybe 500mg of each per day would be okay, it's not critical.  Better not to swallow it as it won't make it intact to the bloodstream as your digestive system and first pass of the liver will stop it.

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23 hours ago, evadgib said:

Can anyone please point me in the right direction for online shopping outlets where's it's possible to buy shirts, shorts or footware in established Big/Tall UK/US sizes as opposed to the Chinese variants which wouldn't fit if I was still at school (despite being labelled to the contrary!)?

Ebay or Lazada proved fruitless & local shops think everyone's a dwarf 🤭

 

Thanks all; PMs are fine so as not to torpedo the thread.

Try stores like Robinsons, Central etc

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7 hours ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Wrong? Guys , women on fitness eat a lot every day. I know a guy, eating everyday 2000 kcal, now he has six pack and is very slim, working out. Now he wants his body to grow and starts to have 3000 kcal/day, and ofcourse exercise everyday for hours. So in and out is though very important. 

Plenty of studies showing that controlled fasting leads to weight loss, without slowing the metabolism, and maybe an option for those struggling to lose weight. If you are fit and working out and not obese, then you probably don't need to lose weight anyway; but even so several hours of fasting per day is good for your body. And it's not how many calories a day that matters but the quality of the nutrition that you are putting in your body. 2000 kals of sugar, cake and biscuits is going to harm you!

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The Dr. Jason Fung video makes some valid points. The reason why the 'calories in/calories out' model can be wrong is because it doesn't take the varying metabolic rates into consideration.

 

If everyone's metabolism was the same, whatever their age and genetic characteristics, then the 'calories in/calories out' model would be correct and consistent.
However, the metabolic rate varies, not only within an individual's life span, but from individuals to individuals of the same age, eating the same food.

 

This causes much confusion. For example, two friends who perhaps live together, might eat the same quantity of food and do the same amount of exercise (approximately), but one is clearly overweight and the other is not. The person who is overweight might then deduce that he/she is not overeating because the other person is not overweight, and that the reason he/she is overweight is because of her genes.

 

The reality is (as I understand it, of course), is that both people are overeating, but the person who is not overweight has perhaps a faster metabolism and a genetic condition which prevents the body from turning excess food into fat. In other words, the excess food is flushed down the toilet.

 

Converting excess food into body fat is a normal and healthy condition. It would have helped our distant ancestors to survive during periods of famine and drought. Those who were unable to convert excess food, during times of plenty, into body fat reserves, would have been at a survival disadvantage.

 

The message here, is that it is possible to overeat and not put on weight, but it is not possible to put on weight without overeating. Overeating has to include the metabolic rate, or metabolic efficiency.
Metabolic rate usually changes as one gets older, and in particular, can change significantly for women when they reach the menopause stage. That is, the metabolic rate slows down, which results in weight gain despite the fact that the woman is eating the same quantity of food as she's always eaten, and does the same amount of physical activity (approximately).

 

However, I gather that the processes in the body going on here are not fully understood. For most people who are not 'exercise fanatics', it seems that the greatest proportion of the energy used by the body is for maintaining the bodily functions, digesting food, keeping the heart pumping, keeping the body temperature at a constant, and so on. The relatively minor activities of short walks in the evening, climbing in and out of the car, washing the dishes, cleaning the house, and so on, consume a relatively small proportion of the total energy intake from food.

 

It is therefore possible for a person who goes on a lower-calorie diet to not lose weight. Perhaps the body has got used to being overweight. After overeating for 20 years or more, the body has gradually accumulated fat in order to prepare itself for a future famine which has never occurred. Maybe the body is then tricked into believing that its obesity is a normal state of affairs. When the person goes on a diet with lower calories, the body resists any weight loss, and lowers the metabolic rate.

 

However, proper fasting, eating no food whatsoever, and drinking only water, sends a clear message to the body to consume the fat reserves. Just as you cannot put on weight without eating too much, you cannot not lose weight when you eat nothing.

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On 11/23/2018 at 1:39 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Why should I eat unsalted nuts if I can afford chocolate cake?

The bigger t-shirts cost on Sukhumvit maybe 50B more than the smaller size. No problem.

Which brings us back to the question about the motivation...

You could try comparing the results of medical reports - over weight vs slim.

Therein might be a cause for motivation!

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Don't eat after 5pm, doesn't take long to adjust to. Admittedly it is difficult to begin with but the results can be worth it....

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