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On ‎11‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 1:48 PM, Jingjock said:

This was forcasted 3 years ago on the internet, no one believed it would happen, now this number 1 family city is empty, the bar owners etc. etc are really worried, I can see a lot of them crashing if it stays this way much longer.

As one that has observed Pattaya for decades, there have always been too many bars since the turn of the century, but it's got worse in the past few years with the downturn in monger numbers. Anyone that bought a bar in the past 10 years must have either been blind, or over optimistic. Only a few have the magic formula to attract more than a few customers, and most were always doomed.

BTW, it's only been since Pattaya was touted as a "family destination" that it's all gone wrong. When it was "fun city" for mongers all was well and most bar owners did OK, as long as they were not idiots ( and there were more than a few of them ).

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23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As one that has observed Pattaya for decades, there have always been too many bars since the turn of the century, but it's got worse in the past few years with the downturn in monger numbers. Anyone that bought a bar in the past 10 years must have either been blind, or over optimistic. Only a few have the magic formula to attract more than a few customers, and most were always doomed.

BTW, it's only been since Pattaya was touted as a "family destination" that it's all gone wrong. When it was "fun city" for mongers all was well and most bar owners did OK, as long as they were not idiots ( and there were more than a few of them ).

You are correct. The demise of Pattaya can all be laid at the hands of those attempting to label it a family destination. 

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23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As one that has observed Pattaya for decades, there have always been too many bars since the turn of the century, but it's got worse in the past few years with the downturn in monger numbers. Anyone that bought a bar in the past 10 years must have either been blind, or over optimistic. Only a few have the magic formula to attract more than a few customers, and most were always doomed.

BTW, it's only been since Pattaya was touted as a "family destination" that it's all gone wrong. When it was "fun city" for mongers all was well and most bar owners did OK, as long as they were not idiots ( and there were more than a few of them ).

Double post.

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18 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

You are correct. The demise of Pattaya can all be laid at the hands of those attempting to label it a family destination. 

How is this related to the net effect of hotel occupancy. Of course I agree with the above from my viewpoint.  There are not enough family /regular tourists increases to compensate for decrease in sex tourists? There seems to be more reasons for the decrease in Europeans and hotel occupancy than just the bar scene. 

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14 minutes ago, morrobay said:

How is this related to the net effect of hotel occupancy. Of course I agree with the above from my viewpoint.  There are not enough family /regular tourists increases to compensate for decrease in sex tourists? There seems to be more reasons for the decrease in Europeans and hotel occupancy than just the bar scene. 

Of course there is, my comment was more tongue in cheek. 

Pattaya has a deteriorating infrastructure and beaches and water conditions, along with tourists being deterred by an expensive currency and increasing prices. Building a shiny Mall does little to alleviate traffic or to tidy up the rather tatty streets laden with trash. 

There are some efforts being made to find alternative tourists, who are less discerning, but in reality those deter further the original European tourists.

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15 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Of course there is, my comment was more tongue in cheek. 

Pattaya has a deteriorating infrastructure and beaches and water conditions, along with tourists being deterred by an expensive currency and increasing prices. Building a shiny Mall does little to alleviate traffic or to tidy up the rather tatty streets laden with trash. 

There are some efforts being made to find alternative tourists, who are less discerning, but in reality those deter further the original European tourists.

If only they invested as much time, money and energy to

bring back westerns instead of pounding on Chinese and Indian doors. Strangely enough they were not all that worried about loosing the Russians 

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This sort of infrastructure in front of the Dusit Thani does not help bookings/return guests. When a guest wakes up and walks down to the beach imagining what they were shown in travel office and sees this.  That used to be a nice environment at that point.

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On 11/29/2018 at 3:11 PM, BritManToo said:

They're probably right about Pattaya.

Most Asians have access to cheap (slim and attractive) hookers in their own countries.

Ah.. that is where you are off the mark.. Asian men are so used to have a nightcap that they can’t sleep alone if didn’t bring their own partners.. moreover, they love varieties. 😂

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On 11/30/2018 at 12:10 AM, spidermike007 said:

An immigration officer asking a few questions is fairly routine. Being taken aside, and brought into an office to be grilled by two officers for 30 minutes is not routine. It is bizarre. I would have lost it and laid into those goons very hard. He was scared. Thailand is missing the mark and failing the test. 

Maybe the pattern of your friend’s traveling ( with some extensions) raised some eyebrows? I understand IOs are trained in these things so I believe your friend being pulled aside for questioning is not random sampling. There is more than meets the eye. 

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On 11/29/2018 at 11:02 PM, marcusarelus said:

You only take the total to the bank.  4 Chinese stay in a room and you get paid for the room.  Who cares how much per person.  How many Brits come to Thailand is irrelevant.  How much they spend is.  Thailand wants less people with more money but that has never happened and I doubt it ever will.  You think your survey is accurate and I think Neilson is but one way or the other it's around 8 billion and it is from China.

I want to put the record straight. Firstly I am chinese. Secondly I spend average 200,000 tbaht each time I am in Thailand which is every month. I stayed 2 weeks a month here interspersed with Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Shanghai. My missus love thailand so much that she got a 20 year thai elite visa. So for me, thailand’s plan for less people but more money is valid. I also put in about 20 million baht in real estate here. Money I can afford to lose. 

So, yes. I would say not all Chinese are small spenders. We just spend our money more shrewdly. No bs bar fining and putting up to the girls moods. We just go to soapies instead. High end at that. 

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4 minutes ago, Ctkong said:

I want to put the record straight. Firstly I am chinese. Secondly I spend average 200,000 tbaht each time I am in Thailand which is every month. I stayed 2 weeks a month here interspersed with Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Shanghai. My missus love thailand so much that she got a 20 year thai elite visa. So for me, thailand’s plan for less people but more money is valid. I also put in about 20 million baht in real estate here. Money I can afford to lose. 

So, yes. I would say not all Chinese are small spenders. We just spend our money more shrewdly. No bs bar fining and putting up to the girls moods. We just go to soapies instead. High end at that. 

Since it is illegal to take that kind of money out of China how do you invest 20 million?  See I don't believe anything you have posted. 😀

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On 11/29/2018 at 9:06 PM, BestB said:

I guess scanners in China show little different figures, more like 1/3 of what your scanners show😂🤣

 

Recently released data from the China Tourism Academy and Ctrip puts the average spending per Chinese international trip at $886

https://jingtravel.com/thailand-expects-10-million-chinese-tourists-also-plans-attract-high-end-visitors/

Be aware that Chinese travelers do not declare the correct amount to the authorities their spendings. Only those captured by the scanners.. chinese do not like to stand out as a spender due to scrutiny by the tax authorities. Those who appeared in Chinese dailies in China with their outrages spendings has the hidden power behind them so do not fear repercussions later on.

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11 minutes ago, Ctkong said:

Be aware that Chinese travelers do not declare the correct amount to the authorities their spendings. Only those captured by the scanners.. chinese do not like to stand out as a spender due to scrutiny by the tax authorities. Those who appeared in Chinese dailies in China with their outrages spendings has the hidden power behind them so do not fear repercussions later on.

Perhaps you are Malaysian and actually expect us to think you can carry 20 million out of China in your pockets.  Now tell the truth.  You are not a Chinese National and have no idea how Chinese nationals get money out of China. 

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On 11/29/2018 at 7:41 PM, Spidey said:

Unfortunately you have to drill down a bit to pick the truth out of this document.

 

Average spend per tourist per destination is very revealing. US top with $4462 per head. Thailand bottom of the list at $2026 per head.

 

Thailand attracts the bottom of the barrel Chinese tourists as it's considered a cheap destination but not with the attractions wealthy Chinese crave. They are selfie crazy. Why take a selfie with yet another temple (which they have in their own country) when they can have a selfie with the Golden Gate Bridge, Statue of Liberty, Tower Bridge, Nelsons Column, Eiffel Tower, Leaning Tower of Piza or any number of landmarks that are new and unlike anything in China and world famous? 

 

We don't get the big spending Chinese visitors here and never will.

My take is there is not much in thailand that a big spending Chinese visitor can spend on. Basically only hotels expenditure. Not much in restaurants and nightlife. Bangkok karaoke is not sophisticated unlike shanghai where a night for 4 people can cost about us$1000-1500 for a modest establishment. I lived in Bangkok on and off for more than 25 years so had a number of loaded Chinese visitors ( Koreans and Japanese too) from time to time. 

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15 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Perhaps you are Malaysian and actually expect us to think you can carry 20 million out of China in your pockets.  Now tell the truth.  You are not a Chinese National and have no idea how Chinese nationals get money out of China. 

Ha ha . I have business in China past 20 years. Money in and out every month.  Nobody bring serious money out on their body . I understand they use contra system. You pay my friend in china and I pay whoever you wanted in Thailand. Tour companies also notorious in money laundering. 

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