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Pattaya high season hotel bookings well down on 2017 - but there could be a reason say THA

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6 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

Booked hotel in Pattaya for Dec 13 on Agoda a couple of days ago:

 

"Hurry, 44% of rooms in Pattaya are booked for your dates"

 

 

They have been at that carry on for so long now that no one believes it . All the sites ! Hurry ! ... 1 million people are looking at this hotel now ! 2 days before you go you might get the best price ... or when you arrive the hotel is only half full ... Agoda need watching though ... you really need to shop around the other sites , and if you are using the App , check the site on the open internet .. you could find that your " special" price is higher than Joe soap's price who has no App... 

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2 hours ago, jlwilliamsjr18 said:

Could it be, it's Pataya?  The water is contaminated, the odors (sewage) are horrid and the hawkers are aggressive. 

The songthaews horn ALL THE TIME, vendors even come inside the restaurant to annoy diners, there not enough shade on the new boulevard, taxi's are annoying, english is bad, it stinks, nowhere to sit comfortably and enjoy the beach...and it isn't cheap anymore.

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1 minute ago, paulikens said:

i bet it will still be rammed come next month

 

I bet you'll be wrong..

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1 hour ago, Mises said:

I agree with the reasons for the decline in numbers of Europeans, Americans, Australians etc. coming to Thailand as already stated by so many here. The Laguna area in Phuket has had the quietest November I have ever seen, Boat Avenue is virtually empty, the independent restaurants are struggling, just trying to survive and hoping December will boom. What if it does not? I get the impression from flight prices still being discounted - LHR-BKK under £500 - that the planes are far from full.

I have been going to the UK every year for the past few years, and never saw an empty seat in any plane.

When I first started coming to Thailand when you got more than 70Bt to GBP, on two occasions, I had three window seats all to myself, one was KLM, the other Thai Airways.

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9 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

"What? If anything Thailand's visa rules are easy for tourists".

Not for the under fifties who want to stay long term they are not.

This thread is about tourists, not long-stayers.

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1 hour ago, meinphuket said:

What a load of cheap BS. Nothing is technologically different from last year, nobody books months in advance any more, except for Russians, and then only for the  peak season. Accept it, from now on in tourism will decline slowly but surely,  and offering free dinners and apres dinner BJs in Soi Nana won't change any of that. Greed, safety issues, ignorance and aggression have taken its toll.

Yes, mainly greed, and you have the hotels and guest houses putting their prices up for the high season at the beginning of October instead of November. Like I said. Mainly greed.

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Not one of my British friends is coming to Thailand this year. That's usually a crew of 5-8 men and women, most of whom come at least twice a year, for one to two months a visit. That's a lot of lost revenue. Yes, the exchange rate is a big reason. But there are lots of little things like poor service, more expensive lodgings and rising drink and food prices. 

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12 minutes ago, madmitch said:

This thread is about tourists, not long-stayers.

So you don't get tourists who want to stay long time??

There are not so many of these left now because of the visa rules.

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4 minutes ago, Kaoboi Bebobp said:

Not one of my British friends is coming to Thailand this year. That's usually a crew of 5-8 men and women, most of whom come at least twice a year, for one to two months a visit. That's a lot of lost revenue. Yes, the exchange rate is a big reason. But there are lots of little things like poor service, more expensive lodgings and rising drink and food prices. 

After Brexit even worse.  Don't look for Brits traveling for 10 years. 

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1 minute ago, possum1931 said:

So you don't get tourists who want to stay long time??

There are not so many of these left now because of the visa rules.

After reading this thread why would anyone want to stay long time?

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7 hours ago, webfact said:

But some of this could be explained by changes in booking behavior brought on my computer technology.

Of course.  With computer technology, the word gets out globally much faster.  Chinese are put off by safety issues surrounding the sinking of the Phoenix as well as being threatened with arrest for feeding pigeons, and farangs have been told that although they are "bigger spenders" they are not particularly as desirable as Chinese, in fact, not necessarily even wanted by the big hotel associations, civic groups, and the TAT.  "Come if you want, but you're not our target demographic.  But our taxi drivers and lady boys need someone to assault and beat-up on and farang fit the bill, in which case we'll tolerate your presence.  Now if you come, don't expect street markets or big parties on the Islands or to enjoy a beer between 2 pm to 5 pm, or late night fun during your holiday - we're ending those in the name of "happiness to the people" and "peace and order.  If you want those, check out vacations in Mexico."

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7 hours ago, webfact said:

But some of this could be explained by changes in booking behavior brought on my computer technology.

Of course.  With computer technology, the word gets out globally much faster.  Chinese are put off by safety issues surrounding the sinking of the Phoenix as well as being threatened with arrest for feeding pigeons, and farangs have been told that although they are "bigger spenders" they are not particularly as desirable as Chinese, in fact, not necessarily even wanted by the big hotel associations, civic groups, and the TAT.  "Come if you want, but you're not our target demographic.  But our taxi drivers and lady boys need someone to assault and beat-up on and farang fit the bill, in which case we'll tolerate your presence.  Now if you come, don't expect street markets or big parties on the Islands or to enjoy a beer between 2 pm to 5 pm, or late night fun during your holiday - we're ending those in the name of "happiness to the people" and "peace and order.  If you want those, check out vacations in Mexico."

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1 hour ago, Cake Monster said:

Very recently, I spoke to a Brit and his Wife that were only off the Plane a few hours, and they said their flight was only about 60% full. and most of the passengers were only on a short stop-over in BKK before an onward flight to either Vietnam, or Cambodia.

I guess that the average Tourist from the UK is fed up with the " in your face " commercialism of Thailand now, and are looking for better destinations.

For sure, with the weak Pound, the UK Tourists will be looking for more value for their Pound 


There are so many factors involved here, but that is a huge part of it. I wonder though, if this trend continues of poor tourism numbers, will the Thai baht and economy weaken as a result? 

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1 hour ago, Cake Monster said:

Very recently, I spoke to a Brit and his Wife that were only off the Plane a few hours, and they said their flight was only about 60% full. and most of the passengers were only on a short stop-over in BKK before an onward flight to either Vietnam, or Cambodia.

I guess that the average Tourist from the UK is fed up with the " in your face " commercialism of Thailand now, and are looking for better destinations.

For sure, with the weak Pound, the UK Tourists will be looking for more value for their Pound 


There are so many factors involved here, but that is a huge part of it. I wonder though, if this trend continues of poor tourism numbers, will the Thai baht and economy weaken as a result? 

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