bomber Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, owl sees all said: The western world is run by the banking system. The bankers and their cronies (Blair and Soros for two) are doing their best the stop Brexit from taking place. It is not easy to stand up to the 'establishment' (even a US President was put down for challenging them), but the people of the UK did: and won. Throughout the world, the people have the power, but are rarely offered the chance to make an impact. Brexit was one of those times when the government had to listen; and they don't like it, because they got an unexpected result. Now the hidden hand is concerned that we actually could leave. good point,but what makes you think the UK standing alone with a Labour Govt and most likely going into a recession is going change the bankers and their cronies,we will be much weaker and they know it,they are quids in already and with more to come,i dont think they (blair/soros etc) are bothered if we leave or stay,the UK and JC are hardly heavyweights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon676545345 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: You, same as most Brexiteers, make the mistake to believe (or deliberately lie) that people argueing for a second referendum do so because they “lost” the first referendum. But that’s (mostly) not true. Most remainers, I strongly believe, would not ask for another referendum if there was a clear result based on a fair (not manipulated) vote. There was a clear result leave got 1,269,500 more votes in the biggest ever electoral turnout. Remainers always seem to focus on the campaigns directly prior to the referendum, presumably because that's when they first became interested in the subject and because that's the information they used to make their decision. What they seem to neglect is the reason why we had the referendum in the first place, the rise of UKIP and eurosceptisism that caused Cameron to announce a referendum. Those who had an interest had years to formulate an opinion, which is why no one bought into the lies of Camerons project fear, our decision had been made long before the referendum was announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, bristolboy said: Please, spare us the alleged curriculum vitae. Like all other posters here, your comments should be judged on the basis of their quality. As for you not being a supporter of Leave...this is like those Americans who say I-don't-support-Trump-but...It's very clear you support leave. So spare us the pretense of impartiality. If the Brexit referendum were to be reversed on the basis of a putsch you would have an excellent point. On the basis that Parliament ignored the referendum, you'd have a good one too. But since a 2nd referendum would be voted on the by mostly same electorate that voted on the first I just don't understand how that is undemocratic. My cv is true - worked in over 25 countries, citizenship of 2 EU countries, PR (Permanent Residence) in 2 further countries, quaternary education. I probably pay more in tax than you earn as a salary. Your cv so far is that you holidayed with a British working class mining family during the coal strike. But you still hate the working class, and you still don't understand us. Brexit has been coming for 30-40 years - it has nothing to do specifically with Trump. Sir Ivan Rogers, possibly the most knowledgeable Brit about EU bureaucracy, and a devout remainer, believes that a 2nd ref is out of the question. I've posted about this this twice in the last few weeks, so I won't repeat the link, as I assume you actually read this forum and can use google if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 You, same as most Brexiteers, make the mistake to believe (or deliberately lie) that people argueing for a second referendum do so because they “lost” the first referendum. But that’s (mostly) not true. Most remainers, I strongly believe, would not ask for another referendum if there was a clear result based on a fair (not manipulated) vote. People arguing for a second referendum aren't doing so because they lost? LOL Yeah, of course not. They would still be arguing for a second referendum had they won. Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Most remainers, I strongly believe, would not ask for another referendum if there was a clear result based on a fair (not manipulated) vote. Whichever side loses, they won't accept the result, and thanks to the precedent that people like you are cheering on being set - for referendum results to be ignored - that losing side will be within its rights to do that, to not accept it, and to demand another vote. Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, My Thai Life said: I am a Brit. I support democracy, after all, the UK invented it. No they didn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, My Thai Life said: I am a Brit. I support democracy, after all, the UK invented it. The UK voted to leave the EU. You are a US citizen, good luck with your president and your domestic and international problems. I'm not a US citizen, and I am neither arrogant enough nor interested enough in your problems to comment on your affairs. Please afford us the the same courtesy. Whatever my nationality may be, you are a troll. The moderators have made very clear that citing an alleged nationality as a reason to disqualify someone's comments is strictly forbidden. You probably know this but like most trolls you just can't help yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, My Thai Life said: My cv is true - worked in over 25 countries, citizenship of 2 EU countries, PR (Permanent Residence) in 2 further countries, quaternary education. I probably pay more in tax than you earn as a salary. Your cv so far is that you holidayed with a British working class mining family during the coal strike. But you still hate the working class, and you still don't understand us. Brexit has been coming for 30-40 years - it has nothing to do specifically with Trump. Sir Ivan Rogers, possibly the most knowledgeable Brit about EU bureaucracy, and a devout remainer, believes that a 2nd ref is out of the question. I've posted about this this twice in the last few weeks, so I won't repeat the link, as I assume you actually read this forum and can use google if you don't. And if what you say about your income is true, you probably pay more in tax that do most British workers. I guess that disqualifies them from having an opinion contrary to yours also. Such snobbishness. I never said that Trump had anything to do with Brexit. Just that like Trump supporters who claim not to like Trump but... and then defend him, you claim to be impartial but I've yet to see you criticize any Brexit position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: If we have a second referendum will we then have a third will it be best of three? Technically, we've already had two; one in 1975, another in 2016. But myself and most others calling for another referendum say the question should be: accept the deal (whatever that is) leave with no deal cancel Article 50 and remain on the same terms as before. Using a form of single transferable vote so that, unless one option has more than 50% of the votes, that with he fewest will be removed and peoples second choices allocated to the remaining two to give an overall winner. As no one has yet answered, I ask yet again; why does that scare Brexiteers so much? On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: Will it be equally financed so that both sides have the same spend, unlike last time when remain had much more? Where do you suggest this money comes from; the taxpayer? On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: Will we stop big foreign billionaire money funding the remain lobby? Will they return the money already taken? It is a Leave campaigner who has been criminally investigated over his campaign's funding. Investigations by the electoral into Remain's funding have exonerated them. On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: Will remain be honest about the immense risks, with well remaining, think EU army which is dangerous as only the UK, France and Lithuania contribute a fair share of GDP to their armed forces? What risks? An EU army has been suggested by several politicians since the 1950s; hasn't happened yet! For it to happen would require the unanimous agreement of all member governments. Which is why it never has and never will. The argument that the EU will get around this by replacing unanimity by majority voting is fallacious as such a move would require the unanimous agreement of all member governments! On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: How much forward debt are the EU not telling us about? Like the 39 billion we are suposed to owe? I can't remember any remainers telling us that the EU was running up debt behind our backs ? This money is what the UK had already committed to paying towards various projects etc. before the referendum. Remain told us that we would have to pay such commitments should we leave; Leave labelled such statements 'Project Fear!' On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: Will we get lots of tax exiles like Branson telling us remaining is best, whilst living in tax economical domicile? How about tax exiles like Ratcliffe who support Brexit? On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: Will more Soros money flow in? Again; I refer you to Sir Jim Ratcliffe. How about Rees-Mogg moving his investments out of the UK and into the RoI to ensure he doesn't lose out personally post Brexit? On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: Will Blair ever be convicted of war crimes? He's the biggest bennefit leave have whenever he speaks. What have Blair's alleged war crimes got to do with the EU? On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: How much will we actually be paying the EU moving forward? Lots of hidden cost? As the ECJ has ruled that we can cancel Brexit and remain in the EU on the same terms as now; then we would continue with the current financial commitments; including the rebate. On 1/1/2019 at 2:53 PM, Patriot1066 said: lots of questions remain do not want to discuss? Such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 4:45 AM, rixalex said: <snip> Implement the 2016 vote first. Then campaign for another vote. At least then the integrity of that vote isn't lost, and at least then the matter of Brexit can be proven one way or the other - success or failure. Then you can say, "look, we gave Brexit a fair shot, we left the EU, things didn't work out, lessons have been learnt, let's vote back in and move forward with this issue put to bed once and for all". There is one very good reason for holding another vote before Brexit. If we cancel Article 50 and don't leave then, as the ECJ has ruled, we will remain in the EU on exactly the same terms we have now. If we do leave and then decide it was a mistake and apply to rejoin then we will almost certainly have to do so on the same terms as as all new members. Which, among other conditions, would mean joining Schengen, adopting the Euro and losing the rebate. Which is why I believe the UK public should be given the opportunity of making a final decision, as I have outlined again above, before we take the almost certain irrevocable step of finally leaving. If that final decision is to leave, even if it's to leave with no deal; then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack100 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I'm really amazed that Farage's backers aren't pushing hard for a second referendum , since they made so much money during the first one , spread betting on the side ! I almost thought I was back at the Forex "pits ' for a while there ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 10:23 AM, evadgib said: Watch the video and see for how long out of the 12 minute display the wheel resembled the EU flag. Then untwist your knickers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, bristolboy said: More trolling. This is not going to end well for you. There is no Brexit outcome that will not end well for me personally. There are some outcomes that will be not well in the short term for democracy, and there are some outcomes that will be not well in the short term for economics. Medium to long term, democracy and free trade will continue to flourish in the UK. After all we invented both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasThBKK Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 You also invented Football, yet you suck at it ???? saying u invented democracy is a bit hilarious tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damascase Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, My Thai Life said: .............. Medium to long term, democracy and free trade will continue to flourish in the UK. After all we invented both. UK invented democracy and free trade?? Thanks for a good laugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 25 minutes ago, My Thai Life said: Not only do I pay more tax than most Brit citizens, I pay more tax than they earn on average. And I was happy to do that for many years. Despite my working class roots I realise I have obtained benefits that many working class people never discover. That's one of many reasons I am profoundly aligned with working class socialist politics - something that you as an American will never understand. And I'm pretty sure I pay more tax than you earn as salary. But as you never tell the truth about about your personal situation I can't be sure about that, and really who cares? Maybe you don't even work. Why not tell us? Really so shy? Now, this is interesting! Do people think that the ones, who make more money, by.. well for example buying companies, ending the workers employments and selling the companies by pieces to the next buyers.. while making a killing profit, are more worthy of a person as some people who actually do their jobs. Let's take Susan, an nurse as an example. Susan doesn't make a lot of money. Susan does her work as she feels that it's her responsibility to take care of the sick and the elderly. Is Susan lesser person than a market hawk, who breaks things to make a bit more profit? Is Susan a lesser person as she doesn't pay as much taxes to the government coffins as the market hawk does? Should Susan even allowed to vote? Susan, after all, is a lesser person than this one glamorous person with a thick wallet of money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, 7by7 said: Watch the video and see for how long out of the 12 minute display the wheel resembled the EU flag. Then untwist your knickers. Me or Katie Hopkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, evadgib said: Me or Katie Hopkins? Both, and Condell and everyone else who saw the display as some sort of desperate, subliminal plot to reverse Brexit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, 7by7 said: Both, and Condell and everyone else who saw the display as some sort of desperate, subliminal plot to reverse Brexit! Wot? You mean Khan was only winding us up? I spot it quite easily when Grouse tries it but I have to admit ol' Sadiq had me fooled ???? Thanks for pointing that out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, evadgib said: Wot? You mean Khan was only winding us up? I spot it quite easily when Grouse tries it but I have to admit ol' Sadiq had me fooled ???? Thanks for pointing that out! Quote Tonight's spectacular #LondonNYE fireworks showed that whatever the outcome of Brexit - #LondonIsOpen - to business, to talent, to ideas, to creativity - and why London really is the greatest city in the world (7by7 emphasis) Do I really need to explain the meaning of whatever to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, 7by7 said: Do I really need to explain the meaning of whatever to you? Brexit preceded NYE therefore the outcome was known. Please stick me on your iggy list as this laughter is doing me in yet you're far too entertaining to go on mine ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, evadgib said: Brexit preceded NYE therefore the outcome was known. Please stick me on your iggy list as this laughter is doing me in ???? More childishness from you to hide the fact that you have no real response. As anyone with half a brain knows, there are still three possible outcomes; May's deal, no deal or cancel the whole thing. Khan's message is that whichever of those three happens, London is open for business. Stick me on your ignore list if you wish; after all it is a typical Brexiteer reaction to unpalatable truths and unanswerable questions; ignore them. I don't believe in using the ignore list to hide from people whose opinions I have no argument against, who present facts I cannot refute, who ask questions I cannot answer; but, as I said to you elsewhere, I will in future only respond to you when (if) you have something adult to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, 7by7 said: Then untwist your knickers. I'm off to bed pal, But not before reminding you how this actually started... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 58 minutes ago, 7by7 said: More childishness from you to hide the fact that you have no real response. As anyone with half a brain knows, there are still three possible outcomes; May's deal, no deal or cancel the whole thing. Khan's message is that whichever of those three happens, London is open for business. Stick me on your ignore list if you wish; after all it is a typical Brexiteer reaction to unpalatable truths and unanswerable questions; ignore them. I don't believe in using the ignore list to hide from people whose opinions I have no argument against, who present facts I cannot refute, who ask questions I cannot answer; but, as I said to you elsewhere, I will in future only respond to you when (if) you have something adult to say. My advice to you. It's time to chance tactics. Mute these little voices. At the end of the day, their voices are not heard by anyone else but their own little support bubble. Nobody else cares what they have to say. We did our best, we tried to hear them, they abused their voice of freedom. So be it. There is no reason to react (well, we do it occasionally as we are curious folks). There is no reason to react to those posts. Take a deep breath, count to 10.. and puff.. the urge is gone. We all support the action of not reacting to these posts.. while we all know we could put them to the ground by our words. Let's just not do it anymore. Meanwhile we could start talking about solutions, future ideas. These are the things we are on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, bristolboy said: Whatever my nationality may be, you are a troll. The moderators have made very clear that citing an alleged nationality as a reason to disqualify someone's comments is strictly forbidden. You probably know this but like most trolls you just can't help yourself. I do not think anyone has suggested that none Brits should be excluded from these threads. To do so would be to exclude 60% of the remoan post.???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, nontabury said: I do not think anyone has suggested that none Brits should be excluded from these threads. To do so would be to exclude 60% of the remoan post.???????????? An example. How to quiet the voices of whines and how to turn the discussion towards solutions of the future? Whiners had their say and they have proven already that the whiners are not able to provide any kind of solutions. That's why it's time to override whatever they say and start creating future for the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Please stick to the topic. Anyone is welcome to post as long as they stay on topic and follow the rules. One person hasn't abided by this and is on suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 25 minutes ago, oilinki said: An example. How to quiet the voices of whines and how to turn the discussion towards solutions of the future? Whiners had their say and they have proven already that the whiners are not able to provide any kind of solutions. That's why it's time to override whatever they say and start creating future for the people. we had a vote in 2016 17.4 million people voted to leave so we either leave with no deal or leave with the Theresa May deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 47 minutes ago, vinny41 said: we had a vote in 2016 17.4 million people voted to leave so we either leave with no deal or leave with the Theresa May deal I saw your reply by accident, so I'll reply. Your kind had 3 years to come up with a solution and you failed. All you did was, you complained about everything. Useless, utterly useless people. You are not worthy of second though anymore. Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, oilinki said: I saw your reply by accident, so I reply. Your kind had 3 years to come up with a solution and you failed. All you did was, you complained about everything. You are not worthy of second though anymore. Bye. There is not need for "MY kind" to come up with a solution, we gave out directions to the UK Goverement on 23rd June 2016 and we are waiting patiently for the Goverment to carry out the instructions of 17.4 million voters. You not find a single post on this forum where I have complained about leaving "My Kind and the other 17.4 million people that voted to leave are waiting for the UK Government to carry out the instructions that we gave them on 23rd June 2016. “The greatest lie of the EU referendum was not the NHS pledge plastered on the side of a bus. It was the government’s pledge that it would enact whatever we voted for. It is this lie that the people will not forget, or forgive," writes Brendan O’Neill https://twitter.com/spikedonline?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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