nontabury Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 hours ago, SheungWan said: From nanny to taxidriver. What an intelligent post. All of four words. You are exceeding yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack100 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Looking like Mark might keep his job a bit longer .................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Actually a WTO Brexit is likely to be worse for the EU than the UK. For nearly 4 years the ECB (European Central Bank) has bought up all the Italian government debt issuance (Italian government bonds) via the QE programme (Quantitative Easing). The ECB is finally terminating this QE programme this month, but Italy still needs finance of course. Interest rates are -0.4%. Inflation is stalled at 1% (modest inflation in excess of 1% being a good thing in this context). The EU's Stability Pact and and Fiscal Compact prevent Keynesian stimulus policies. The so called "doom loop" between Eurozone banks and governments/countries is now a real possibility and there is no buffer left for these financial shocks. Brexit is potentially another such shock for the Eurozone: the EU's 92 billion trade surplus with the UK will be seriously impacted if the EU imposes a punitive Brexit. The kind of of Brexit that Macron is urging while his country burns. On the other hand, Carney's stress tests have verified the UK banking sector's ability to withstand the harshest of shocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 There are about 10% of the UK populus, who probably also believe that the Earth is flat and vaccinations cause autism, who still think brexit is wonderful and make Britain great again. Each free society have those 10% of people. In free societies those people are allowed to raise their voices and naturally there are people who follow them. Not the most individuals nor the most smartest ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i claudius Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 There are about 10% of the UK populus, who probably also believe that the Earth is flat and vaccinations cause autism, who still think brexit is wonderful and make Britain great again. Each free society have those 10% of people. In free societies those people are allowed to raise their voices and naturally there are people who follow them. Not the most individuals nor the most smartest ones. Jesus wept,i cant believe there are still people like you around ,posting on here i dont know how you can say things like that .of course the earth is flat.!!!Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Would a no deal Brexit be so bad? Yes, if disorderly, or to the extent that planes couldn't fly, etc. Otherwise, I think its damaging effects have been over-played. After a short shock it may even prove beneficial. My guess is there would be a recession lasting a year or so. One danger though: if significant parties are so wedded to the idea that it will be bad, that very idea actually guarantees it will be bad, aka, self fulfilling prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I suppose if we didn't have Brexit to worry about, we'd be in the same boat as France, and the politicians would then have something to really worry about, dealing with such pressing issues as a failed economic model, and truly grotesque inequality of wealth. Brexit provides those two most sought after strategies: ignoring the elephant in the room, and kicking the can. Perhaps that's why all our politicians are hardly busting a gut to find a solution, even though they convey the idea of frenzied activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 36 minutes ago, mommysboy said: Would a no deal Brexit be so bad? Yes, if disorderly, or to the extent that planes couldn't fly, etc. Otherwise, I think its damaging effects have been over-played. After a short shock it may even prove beneficial. My guess is there would be a recession lasting a year or so. One danger though: if significant parties are so wedded to the idea that it will be bad, that very idea actually guarantees it will be bad, aka, self fulfilling prophecy. Tell you what, why don't you literally bet your house on the outcome? It may indeed not be so bad, but what are your invaluable personal goods you are prepared to wager on your being correct? These are the stakes being gambled, not 200 Baht in a card game with your pals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 3:48 PM, My Thai Life said: Some interesting points abour WTO terms: - WTO is just the starting point, not the end-point - WTO is just free trade, actually the free-est of free tade - most of the world operates on WTO rules - WTO rules would allow us to operate with frictionless zero tariff imports from the EU in key sectors if we chose to - WTO rules would allow us to reduce costs of imports in key sectors, notably food - following on from the previous point: we currently pay a huge amount to import food from the EU - in the form of CAP subsidies, these disappear with WTO (tariffs always need to be considered together with subsidies, quotas and non-tariff barriers) - WTO does not require a hard border in Ireland, and renders the backstop discussion irrelevant - WTO allows the 39 billion to be used at home - WTO is available now - this is an important point - one thing we can all agree on is that much of the last 2 years has been wasted - WTO would bring that to an immediate end - WTO would put the UK in a much stronger negotiating position for future EU talks - currently the UK trades with 24 countries and territories under WTO rules alone. - currently the UK sends to the EU 80% of the tariffs on imports from 3rd countries, with WTO we keep 100% of the tariffs collected. What tosh... WTO rules are the lowest common denominator of trade rules that have to be reached by consensus of its 160+ members. It is hardly a free trade organisation. All that it guarantees is that you can’t discriminate against other members. So if a country like Thailand wants to impose 200%++ import tariffs on British auto exports, they can, just as long as they do the same for everyone else. Soft border with Ireland and the EU? Fine then. But you will then have to offer the same thing to every other WTO member.. And this happens across the board. https://www.economist.com/britain/2017/11/30/brexiteers-claim-that-trade-on-wto-terms-would-be-fine-wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 9 hours ago, samran said: What tosh... WTO rules are the lowest common denominator of trade rules that have to be reached by consensus of its 160+ members. It is hardly a free trade organisation. All that it guarantees is that you can’t discriminate against other members. So if a country like Thailand wants to impose 200%++ import tariffs on British auto exports, they can, just as long as they do the same for everyone else. Soft border with Ireland and the EU? Fine then. But you will then have to offer the same thing to every other WTO member.. And this happens across the board. https://www.economist.com/britain/2017/11/30/brexiteers-claim-that-trade-on-wto-terms-would-be-fine-wrong The Economist, like many UK fish wraps, is in collaboration with the UK government. Can't remainers see what the EU is doing to Italy, Greece, Spain France, Hungary, and the Mafia style treatment of May and the UK? Can' remainers see that the EU is a neo-liberal, non democratic globalist idiology. When enough people are hungry the EU project will crumble, the cracks are now appearing. I hope we are out before they ban Christmas and this song: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 20 hours ago, talahtnut said: Can't remainers see what the EU is doing to Italy, Greece, Spain France, Hungary, and the Mafia style treatment of May and the UK? Now that you mention it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack100 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 6 hours ago, evadgib said: Now that you mention it... Strangely , Pat I never really felt the effects of the undermining of liberal democracy , the blocking of political change by the unelected EU etc etc as you state you I However I have recently definitely felt the " pound in my pocket ' being blocked ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 7 hours ago, evadgib said: Now that you mention it... Is Condell confusing Hungary with a liberal democracy? And he complains about the EU restricting freedom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 all will be fine come brexit day when we dump the eu bully boys and get back to making making pots of money as it was in the days before we joined the eu slow boat to nowhere .courtesy of the gay yachtsman and blair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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talahtnut Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Dear Remainers, could you advise Macron on how to pay for his promises to the French people. Macron's options. 1 Raise tax on diesel. 2 Disobey EU budgetary restrictions. For a Brexiteer the answer is simple..the finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 12/14/2018 at 5:40 PM, talahtnut said: The Economist, like many UK fish wraps, is in collaboration with the UK government. Can't remainers see what the EU is doing to Italy, Greece, Spain France, Hungary, and the Mafia style treatment of May and the UK? Can' remainers see that the EU is a neo-liberal, non democratic globalist idiology. When enough people are hungry the EU project will crumble, the cracks are now appearing. I hope we are out before they ban Christmas and this song: I have always enjoyed that piece though nowadays it is probably not a PC thing to do. To those who may think it not PC, I have one thing to say. Who really cares what you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, billd766 said: I have always enjoyed that piece though nowadays it is probably not a PC thing to do. To those who may think it not PC, I have one thing to say. Who really cares what you think about it. What is the EU doing to France? And whatever the EU is doing to that vicious right wing authoritian free press strangling government of Hungary isn't nearly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 8 hours ago, evadgib said: Now that you mention it... And let’s not forget Hitler. He was elected by how many? And what did the unelected alliance of England, France, Russia and America undermine the Reich’s democracy? Those bullies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: And let’s not forget Hitler. He was elected by how many? And what did the unelected alliance of England, France, Russia and America undermine the Reich’s democracy? Those bullies. Piano wire springs to mind if this proves to be true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Back to the BoE: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 hours ago, bristolboy said: Is Condell confusing Hungary with a liberal democracy? And he complains about the EU restricting freedom? You had better have a word with this guy. Could it be the same Guy Verhofstadt. That you so admire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 12/13/2018 at 11:19 PM, baboon said: Tell you what, why don't you literally bet your house on the outcome? It may indeed not be so bad, but what are your invaluable personal goods you are prepared to wager on your being correct? These are the stakes being gambled, not 200 Baht in a card game with your pals... I have skin in the game already believe me. If it goes belly up, I'll be retiring on a pittance of a pension. Whatever the exit, it's about organisation, and co-operation. There's no reason why it wouldn't work, and we have to gamble anyway it seems. What would your choice be? Given the choice, I would not gamble and would rather Brexit was put on ice. But Leave won and that needs to be respected too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, nontabury said: You had better have a word with this guy. Could it be the same Guy Verhofstadt. That you so admire Nasty creep with an ill fitting syrup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 8 hours ago, mommysboy said: I have skin in the game already believe me. If it goes belly up, I'll be retiring on a pittance of a pension. Whatever the exit, it's about organisation, and co-operation. There's no reason why it wouldn't work, and we have to gamble anyway it seems. What would your choice be? Given the choice, I would not gamble and would rather Brexit was put on ice. But Leave won and that needs to be respected too. I think we are broadly singing from the same hymnsheet. Yes, I think we should either revoke Article 50 until we get our act together or go with May's deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 8 hours ago, mommysboy said: I have skin in the game already believe me. If it goes belly up, I'll be retiring on a pittance of a pension. Whatever the exit, it's about organisation, and co-operation. There's no reason why it wouldn't work, and we have to gamble anyway it seems. What would your choice be? Given the choice, I would not gamble and would rather Brexit was put on ice. But Leave won and that needs to be respected too. That's a well balanced comment. I'm on a crap UK unfortunate survival pension already. However, there is no need to gamble, just try living in Paris, for a year. Leastways, you can get nice cheap syrups over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rixalex Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 40 minutes ago, baboon said: I think we are broadly singing from the same hymnsheet. Yes, I think we should either revoke Article 50 until we get our act together or go with May's deal. Mommysboy said he thought the vote needed to be respected. Sadly he's one of the few remainers with the integrity on this forum to take that view. Neither revoking of article 50 "until we can get our act together" (read, "leaving the EU ain't never going to happen") or going with May's current deal, does respect the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 53 minutes ago, RickBradford said: This is just trying to scare TVForum members. I say get the warships in the Med and assert our authority. Send a few shivers down the spins of the unelected EU bullies. The US would help us in this. Payback for Libya and Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, rixalex said: Mommysboy said he thought the vote needed to be respected. Sadly he's one of the few remainers with the integrity on this forum to take that view. Neither revoking of article 50 "until we can get our act together" (read, "leaving the EU ain't never going to happen") or going with May's current deal, does respect the vote. I would disagree. The vote was 52 - 48. You can't trample on the wishes of either side, so where do you go from here? You compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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