tebee Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, nontabury said: Agree, and caused by those who voted remain, and then refused to accept the Democratic decision of their fellow citizens. The problem is that any mature democracy that uses refernda in it's democratic processes knows that if a referendum affects major constitutional issues and that reforedum is to be binding it needs to have a supermajority of at least 10-15% - otherwise we see precisely what we have now - a fracture of the country 50/50. Stupid mistakes were made - the referendum didn't need a supermajority because it was non-binding - there some said they would accept it as binding. So now we have a broken country - both it and both political parties are possibly irrevocably split. You might get brexit - but will the price be worth paying ? I don't think our current democratic system will survive it . The Britain we all know is already dead - I worry about what will replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 36 minutes ago, tebee said: The problem is that any mature democracy that uses refernda in it's democratic processes knows that if a referendum affects major constitutional issues and that reforedum is to be binding it needs to have a supermajority of at least 10-15% - otherwise we see precisely what we have now - a fracture of the country 50/50. Stupid mistakes were made - the referendum didn't need a supermajority because it was non-binding - there some said they would accept it as binding. So now we have a broken country - both it and both political parties are possibly irrevocably split. You might get brexit - but will the price be worth paying ? I don't think our current democratic system will survive it . The Britain we all know is already dead - I worry about what will replace it. tebee, have you got one of the sandwich boards with 'The end of the world is nigh' written on it. Honestly, you worry too much about doom and gloom. Get out and have a bit of fun for the New Year mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 the monkey, boboon, commented, in despair?, further up, dunno where we go from this; neither do I, but a comment EU has no interest in a no deal Brexit if there should be a snappy change of government in UK, underlining snappy (no, not bojo replacing tm, but a non tory replacing tm) one should not exclude the possibility of going back to eu and ask for changes to deal, of course one must be down to earth with the wish list and concrete with wishes and it must be win-win oriented, must be juice for eu in this such will require that tory recognizes that they have messed brexit up and then step aside not likely to happen as politicians are allergic to admitting mistakes and act accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, talahtnut said: tebee, have you got one of the sandwich boards with 'The end of the world is nigh' written on it. Honestly, you worry too much about doom and gloom. Get out and have a bit of fun for the New Year mate. agree he probably missed out on the Beau Nov in November also France is brilliant for seafood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 "interesting"? developments quite long time ago Cameron "promised" vote on EU membership the referendum on EU came to fruition PM Cameron was quite clear; whatever you guys decide the government will implement, up to you referendum held result, majority leave Cameron jumped ship TM grabbed the tiller Brexit means Brexit fairly clear policy from the top, brexit means brexit two unfortunate court case deliberations - no PM can not bypass parliament OK, still, Brexit means Brexit think think think A50 triggered think (not enough) GE, enjoyed majority lost, PM ending up getting DUPed no deal is better than bad deal - new cabinet slogan year and a half with EU; chat chat chat chat chat outcome; a dreadful deal, fairly crappish in my view since A50 bill was passed, parliament has done roughly zilch deal is on the table - parliament is pissed off - half cabinet is pissed off - DUP is pissed off the choice is widening now; PM offers, my-deal - no-deal - no-Brexit from Cameron's we implement what you decide and TM's Brexit means Brexit we now have a huge menu parliament is drowning in options Corbyn's non conf in PM is on the table may-deal is on the table hard brexit is on the table non conf in government may surface revoke A50 is up in the air 2nd referendum is frequently aired going back to EU is aired by Labour (that is roughly half the electorate) and quite surely, I have missed some items since the clear policy view by Cameron and TM three years ago a LOT of work has been invested in producing MESS and chaos now, whatever happens with Brexit, there are lessons to be learned from this process one would hope that UK is up to learning from it and fix shortcomings so it doesn't happen again (if I were a UK mechanic I know where I would start) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 9 hours ago, billd766 said: I used to be but when I voted to leave I fully expected a drop in the forex rate but I hadn't expected so much for so long. May i humbly suggest , you Google the five year forecast on Gbp / Thb exchange rates , predicted to be as low as 36, if we are lucky . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: since the clear policy view by Cameron and TM three years ago a LOT of work has been invested in producing MESS and chaos 'Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, baboon said: 'Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence...' its a bit worse than incompetence in the sense of stupidity after decades of EU membership UK doesn't really have a lot of clever civil servants with adequate experience to handle these issues same goes for trade, trade negotiators of high quality are few and far between in UK the EU is doing all the dealings UK has some very good ones, but they work for the Commission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 24 minutes ago, elliss said: May i humbly suggest , you Google the five year forecast on Gbp / Thb exchange rates , predicted to be as low as 36, if we are lucky . I don't believe that ANY financial forecast will be in anyway accurate for a period of longer than 6 months. To quote a former UK Prime minister, Harold Wilson, A week is a long time in politics What would happen to the THB/GBP exchange rate if the current government loses the coming election and the military has another coup in 3 months time? What if the new government becomes a coalition government and has enough votes to tear up the current constitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, vinny41 said: So you are unable to provide any supporting evidence to support your claim of " He's a nasty young BNP punk " I take you know he is 37 years old Matthew Goodwin is Lecturer in Politics in the School of Politics and International Relations at the University of Nottingham, and an Associate Fellow of Chatham House. His substantive research interests are political extremism, voting behaviour and immigration. He is the author of New British Fascism: Rise of the British National Party, and co-editor of The New Extremism in TwentyFirst Century Britain (both published by Routledge). His research has been published in leading academic journals, including the European Journal of Political Research, the Journal of Elections, Public Opinion and Parties, and Political Studies. Drawing on this research, Dr Goodwin has advised governmental and other agencies on these issues, including the Home Office, Cabinet Office, Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG), Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), local authorities and security services. He is a frequent panellist at international conferences and regular media commentator, including in the Economist, New York Times, Guardian and Financial Times, and on Newsnight and Westminster Hour. From 2007 to 2010, he was based at the University of Manchester where he was an Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC) Postdoctoral Research Follow. His research in this area has also been partly funded by the British Academy. https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/r0911_goodwin.pdf Irish whisky is so much better than scotch whisky t You have your opinion And I have the right to ignore your opinion. BTW Irish Whisky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 The MPs don't realise they need to put their political beliefs aside and back a deal to get us out of this hole. It isn't going to please everybody, but the alternative is worse for everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, billd766 said: I don't believe that ANY financial forecast will be in anyway accurate for a period of longer than 6 months. To quote a former UK Prime minister, Harold Wilson, A week is a long time in politics What would happen to the THB/GBP exchange rate if the current government loses the coming election and the military has another coup in 3 months time? What if the new government becomes a coalition government and has enough votes to tear up the current constitution? i admire , your optimism .. military coup , in the UK , i will second that motion brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 49 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: "interesting"? developments quite long time ago Cameron "promised" vote on EU membership the referendum on EU came to fruition PM Cameron was quite clear; whatever you guys decide the government will implement, up to you referendum held result, majority leave Cameron jumped ship TM grabbed the tiller Brexit means Brexit fairly clear policy from the top, brexit means brexit two unfortunate court case deliberations - no PM can not bypass parliament OK, still, Brexit means Brexit think think think A50 triggered think (not enough) GE, enjoyed majority lost, PM ending up getting DUPed no deal is better than bad deal - new cabinet slogan year and a half with EU; chat chat chat chat chat outcome; a dreadful deal, fairly crappish in my view since A50 bill was passed, parliament has done roughly zilch deal is on the table - parliament is pissed off - half cabinet is pissed off - DUP is pissed off the choice is widening now; PM offers, my-deal - no-deal - no-Brexit from Cameron's we implement what you decide and TM's Brexit means Brexit we now have a huge menu parliament is drowning in options Corbyn's non conf in PM is on the table may-deal is on the table hard brexit is on the table non conf in government may surface revoke A50 is up in the air 2nd referendum is frequently aired going back to EU is aired by Labour (that is roughly half the electorate) and quite surely, I have missed some items since the clear policy view by Cameron and TM three years ago a LOT of work has been invested in producing MESS and chaos now, whatever happens with Brexit, there are lessons to be learned from this process one would hope that UK is up to learning from it and fix shortcomings so it doesn't happen again (if I were a UK mechanic I know where I would start) You've done a great job of summarising the mess without offering any solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, billd766 said: What would happen to the THB/GBP exchange rate if the current government loses the coming election and the military has another coup in 3 months time? It would probably shoot up. The Baht, that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, evadgib said: There isn't a HARD brexit; it's only ever been leave! So get on with it, I say, and stop blaming everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, talahtnut said: tebee, have you got one of the sandwich boards with 'The end of the world is nigh' written on it. Honestly, you worry too much about doom and gloom. Get out and have a bit of fun for the New Year mate. I had a burst pipe in my kitchen at 6pm new years eve - I'm still pulling out the wreaked units and putting new ones in ! It's at times like this I miss Thai concrete kitchens ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 52 minutes ago, elliss said: May i humbly suggest , you Google the five year forecast on Gbp / Thb exchange rates , predicted to be as low as 36, if we are lucky . Yeah the Thai economy is tough as old boots, whereas the UK economy is run by loonies, it cant even feed its population without importing grub. When this Ponzi scheme starts to lean over, the pound won't buy you a f,,, tong in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, elliss said: i admire , your optimism .. military coup , in the UK , i will second that motion brother. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, RickG16 said: You've done a great job of summarising the mess without offering any solutions. Really the OP states he was a mechanic , a good quality working class man he would know where to start, SCRAP IT , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, elliss said: Really the OP states he was a mechanic , a good quality working class man he would know where to start, SCRAP IT , Scrap what exactly? Care to elaborate? As you are a self confessed "alien in LOS" who has "burned his bridges", I'd be interested in your solution. Sure it will have the UK's best interests at heart ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, mommysboy said: So get on with it, I say, and stop blaming everyone else. For what? Securing our escape...? I can't see any of the people you believe you're just ridiculed getting the hump over that! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, RickG16 said: You've done a great job of summarising the mess without offering any solutions. come week of 14th January a solution may surface unless TM changes her mind again may-deal is up for voting if it flies - thats the way then - next step will be to ensure that the process following 29th March is meaningful in my view that means getting rid of TM asap but alas, if may-deal flies politicians will be inclined to stay with her so she will be in good position to crap down after 29 March negotiations may-deal voted down? no-deal Brexit then me thinks ---- alternatively parliament gets rid of TM asap, as soon as they are back after xmas, take charge - debate the issue - synthesize what they want - and do it including consulting with EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Here is the PMs somewhat optimistic NY message: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, tebee said: I had a burst pipe in my kitchen at 6pm new years eve - I'm still pulling out the wreaked units and putting new ones in ! It's at times like this I miss Thai concrete kitchens ..... Damn, sorry about that mate, them old EU regulation pipes was it? fit British Standard quality pipes, no probs. You are a good writer, and I like stuff you say, but its usually wrong. All the best for the New Year, T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 12 hours ago, LucysDad said: A chalk and cheese argument. You cannot compare life and death with politics. What would you like - the best of 3 at every general election just because you couldn't trust (didn't like) the first result. Are you really trying to tell people that general elections and leaving the EU are not chalk and cheese? Leaving the EU will be a life changing event for many and only the emotionally paranoid would not recognise the need in the light of better understanding to reconfirm that change, but you probably think it would be better for students to take the exam before they do the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, evadgib said: Here's the PMs somewhat optimistic NY message: Waffling b woman, no mention of anything as important as the bank lending to support industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, sandyf said: Are you really trying to tell people that general elections and leaving the EU are not chalk and cheese? Leaving the EU will be a life changing event for many and only the emotionally paranoid would not recognise the need in the light of better understanding to reconfirm that change, but you probably think it would be better for students to take the exam before they do the course. ...& take it again afterwards if they fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 55 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: come week of 14th January a solution may surface unless TM changes her mind. Indeed , our democratically elected Prime Minister , will state , that it is not in the best public interests , that our democratically elected, incompetent Parliamentary members should be given the vote on such an important decision. . Therefore , Mister Speaker , i am morally bound , in the best interests , of the people of Britain, to humbly apply , for another extension, on the previous extensions , Merci, mon ami . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, elliss said: you know, if smth like that surfaced, wouldn't surprise me a sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Grouse said: Irish Whisky? Irish whiskey surly .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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