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23 minutes ago, sandyf said:

u really are a master of context manipulation.

A democratic event is an event where all can participate as opposed to being restricted, nothing to do with results.

Had there been a majority margin involved the referendum would have still been democratic, irrespective of what you think.

"You really are a master of context manipulation."

Thank you! That's what all the girls on Soi Buakhao tell me!

Thanks for defining for me what a democratic event is, I was aware, but can you explain to me in less confused terms how anything I said is in direct contrast to what you said?

As for democratic events/decisions having nothing to do with results....tell that to Remainers………..but they already know don't they?

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2 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Brexit isn't designed for compromise- that's really the main problem.  

there is some space for compromise

 

there is a slim continuum between may-deal and no-deal

parliament can fill this space with rulez that government has to follow

in the parts of the deal that is controllable by UK.

maybe something meaningful can be made out of that

 

frequent reporting to parliament

government to follow directions given by parliament

 

ie, parliament in control

 

government not keen on operating under guidance - ditch it

 

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Just now, roo860 said:

Spoons open already, I love a full English with a few beers on a Sunday, sets me up till dinner.

 

If you seer a big fat bloke in there with a shaven head and a Union Jack suit on, ask him how hes getting on, aint seen him for a while

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1 hour ago, sandyf said:

It is only those with a distorted concept of democracy that would think that. UK democracy is based on elected representatives and nothing has changed.

 

democracy

noun
 UK  /dɪˈmɒk.rə.si/ US  /-ˈmɑː.krə-/

B2 [ U ] the belief in freedom and equality between people, or a system of government based on this belief, in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves:

The government has promised to uphold the principles of democracy.
The early 1990s saw the spread of democracy in Eastern Europe.

B2 [ C ] a country in which power is held by elected representatives:

Few of the Western democracies still have a royal family.
(Definition of “democracy” from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)

Trying to change the meaning of the word "democracy" in order to change a democratic vote on a single issue ?

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2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Full marks for alliteration, though - and that applies to both of you! 

 Thanks. 

 

But my post was not alliterative.

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12 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Trying to change the meaning of the word "democracy" in order to change a democratic vote on a single issue ?

Nothing in your quoted definition to say that voters are not allowed to change their minds on that issue and must not be given the opportunity to express that change of mind..

 

Although you may find such a rider in Putin's definition!

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1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

Nothing in your quoted definition to say that voters are not allowed to change their minds on that issue and must not be given the opportunity to express that change of mind..

 

Although you may find such a rider in Putin's definition!

We have had this discussion before .

Once you have caste your vote in the ballot box and the votes have been counted , you cannot go back and change that vote .

   Although you can vote differently in future elections, you cannot go back and change your vote .

  Once Brexit has happened , you can then request another vote on a referendum about rejoining the E,U .

   You can change your mind NEXT time, BUT you cannot change your mind LAST time 

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2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

This is not some abstract philosophical construct. No one has ever left the EU, particularly not when they have been members for 42 years. It has become glaringly apparent now to all who have their eyes open that leaving would entail huge economic risks and dislocation of millions of people both EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad. It is no longer a pig in a poke. We are better informed now and then the so-called negotiations of leaving by May et al has been an epic failure of Suez type proportions. Asking for a second referendum under these circumstances is not just wise but the right thing to do. David Davies has a lot to answer for and he resigned rather than take responsibility. Like Boris and Farage and Cameron before them. You should reserve your anger at these folk - Lions led by Donkeys. 

 

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The British government has already stated that those citizens of the E.u that are already here,can remain, and this has been pointed out numerous times on these threads. So why do you continue to sAy the opposite.

 You are correct that people are far better informed regarding the + and - of remaining in the E.u. Thanks to the internet, we were far more informed in 2016 than in 1975 when we were conned into what we thought was a trading block.

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Thanks. 

 

But my post was not alliterative.

I meant this one. . . 

 

Another witty and erudite response; worthy of Wilde or Shaw at their best!

 

Substitute wacky for erudite (couldn't find a synonym for erudite beginning with W, so went for an anyonym!) and its music to the ears.

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2 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Lions deceived and backstabbed by t may and her remaining civil servants!!!!

Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Was’t it a German general who said during w.w.1 

that the British are Lions led by Generals.  Well he was correct, and that is what the present day leader of Germany has thought throughout the 2019 surrender discussions.

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25 minutes ago, sanemax said:

We have had this discussion before .

Once you have caste your vote in the ballot box and the votes have been counted , you cannot go back and change that vote .

   Although you can vote differently in future elections, you cannot go back and change your vote .

  Once Brexit has happened , you can then request another vote on a referendum about rejoining the E,U .

   You can change your mind NEXT time, BUT you cannot change your mind LAST time 

Don’t confuse him,he’s still trying to work out the meaning of Democracy.

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9 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Was’t it a German general who said during w.w.1 

that the British are Lions led by Generals.  Well he was correct, and that is what the present day leader of Germany has thought throughout the 2019 surrender discussions.

Actually it was Lions led by Donkeys.

 

Sorry but I was a bit bored so I thought I would look it up.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions_led_by_donkeys#Origin_of_the_phrase

 

he origin of the phrase pre-dates the First World War. Plutarch attributed to Chabrias the saying that "an army of deer commanded by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions commanded by a deer".[5][6] An ancient Arabian proverb says "An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep".[citation needed] During the Crimean War, a letter was reportedly sent home by a British soldier quoting a Russian officer who had said that British soldiers were "lions commanded by donkeys".[7] This was immediately after the failure to storm the fortress of Sevastopol which, if true, would take the saying back to 1854–5. The phrase is quoted in Anna Stoddart's 1906 book 'The Life of Isabella Bird' in the scene where Isabella, en route for America in 1854, passes a troopship taking the Scot's Greys out to Balaclava.

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28 minutes ago, sanemax said:

We have had this discussion before .

Once you have caste your vote in the ballot box and the votes have been counted , you cannot go back and change that vote .

   Although you can vote differently in future elections, you cannot go back and change your vote .

  Once Brexit has happened , you can then request another vote on a referendum about rejoining the E,U .

   You can change your mind NEXT time, BUT you cannot change your mind LAST time 

Correct, you cannot change your vote once it has been cast. The result of the 2016 referendum cannot be changed.

 

But no one is suggesting that it should be!

 

What myself and an ever growing number of people want is to be granted the opportunity to vote again, the opportunity to change our minds and vote differently. The opportunity to do so before Brexit becomes irrevocable. Once we are out, we are out. The time to change the decision to leave is before that happens.

 

That you want to deny us that democratic opportunity is all the evidence required to show that you are afraid the result will be different this time.

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1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

What myself and an ever growing number of people want is to be granted the opportunity to vote again, the opportunity to change our minds and vote differently. The opportunity to do so before Brexit becomes irrevocable. Once we are out, we are out. The time to change the decision to leave is before that happens.

What if an even bigger majority vote to leave second time around?

Will you be wanting best of five?

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