Extreme Brexit could be worse than financial crisis for UK: BoE

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

UKIP won!  Get real, the leave campaign won and they wouldn't share a platform with UKIP or their so called leader.  Johnson and his boys did everything they could to distance themselves from Farage and his ridiculous statements.

 

But it's simple enough, you take a lot of unhappy people, appeal to their paranoia and you will get votes.  Same thing happened in the USA with Trump.  The difference there is that Trump actually managed to get elected whereas Farage has always been an also ran, trying to latch on to the real politicians but getting snubbed by them.

Farage hacked what he desired most, a solid leave.

 

in my book, actually a fairly proper job

 

 

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, LucysDad said:

 

 

Great evidence of a remainer's incapability to assimilate what has been presented to them...

 

The figures clearly state England and represent the swings between parties in 533 of the 650 seats.

 

 

Now, what is difficult about that.

 

 

Coalition and Green Party are not words/phrases that should be used together..... GP's 1 seat is not that valuable.

Thank you magnificence!

 

I bow before your greatness

 

If I may be so presumptuous, what point is the grand master wishing to make?

[damascase]

39 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Why should any nation as resourceful as ours wish to remain in a toxic environment which created the economic basket cases that are Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy?

 

One reason the EU is so anxious to retain our membership is for the financial contribution we would be called on to make to bail out the ailing Italian banking system when it finally hits the wall.

 

Did the EU ‘create’ the economic basket cases? Really?

Not sure the general population in the EU would really like you to retain now, divided as you are. 

[LucysDad]

6 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Thank you magnificence!

 

I bow before your greatness

 

If I may be so presumptuous, what point is the grand master wishing to make?

 

 

The fact that you had to ask a question IS the point.

[Krataiboy]

21 minutes ago, damascase said:

Did the EU ‘create’ the economic basket cases? Really?

Not sure the general population in the EU would really like you to retain now, divided as you are. 

OK with us Brexiteers, but the EU oligarchs still want us around - which counts far more than the opinion of the 512.6 million plebs in the 28 states they rule.

[Laughing Gravy]

14 hours ago, dunroaming said:

UKIP were very good at tapping into peoples paranoia.  That was there MO and it worked well. But they were never a party of anything other than getting the UK out of the EU.  Farage was a Euro MP having a private battle with Brussels but when it came to it couldn't even get elected as an MP in Britain.  A one trick pony and once the trick was done the party fell apart.  They had nothing else to offer apart from a few right wing nutcases.  They became a laughing stock even though they were never funny. 

Please provide some evidence that UKIP were good at tapping into peoples paranoia?

 

11 million voters would disagree with you. Makes me laugh when people have a different point of view and the only way to counteract is to shout them down as nutters.

 

I agree they were a party about getting the UK out of the EU and they did a good job of that, frightening the political elite as they rose as a party to challenge, with some direction I believe they could have done better. To say they had nothing else but a few far right wing nutters, shows ignorance and lack of understanding of how the political viewpoint was moving in that direction.

 

If a more mainstream party with some ideology from UKIP (out of the EU)  is born, then the two main parties of today could be out of power for a long time. Populist would come to the UK like it is spreading across Europe. Well its just my opinion so don't ask for evidence, as its just my perception.

[Grouse]

9 hours ago, LucysDad said:

 

 

The fact that you had to ask a question IS the point.

Yes, it is such a rare occurrence that I understand your surprise.

 

I tend as a European and as a UK citizen not to look at things from a purely Anglo centric viewpoint. Sorry.

[Loiner]

UKIP won!  Get real, the leave campaign won and they wouldn't share a platform with UKIP or their so called leader.  Johnson and his boys did everything they could to distance themselves from Farage and his ridiculous statements.
 
But it's simple enough, you take a lot of unhappy people, appeal to their paranoia and you will get votes.  Same thing happened in the USA with Trump.  The difference there is that Trump actually managed to get elected whereas Farage has always been an also ran, trying to latch on to the real politicians but getting snubbed by them.

Not paranoia, but economic decision and confidence in the UK after Leaving.

Funny how you as a Remainer describe UKIP and the Leave campaign as two separate ideas in a single issue referendum. How did you decide which ‘party’ the Leave voters supported?
How many different factions were there in Remain and which one part of those did you vote for?

Yes many many people unhappy with the EU, so voted to Leave. I didn’t know the Trump voters were unhappy with the EU. More voted for him because of whatever they are unhappy about, which you also don’t like. What level will your moaning reach when he’s elected again by more voters for a second term?


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[LucysDad]

37 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Yes, it is such a rare occurrence that I understand your surprise.

 

I tend as a European and as a UK citizen not to look at things from a purely Anglo centric viewpoint. Sorry.

 

 

Indeed, that is where we differ - I always put "British" on forms, on one occasion crossing out the only option of European.

 

I love Europe/Europeans but detest the EU; I am a British citizen born in England and nothing the EU do will change that. 

[Grouse]

41 minutes ago, LucysDad said:

 

 

Indeed, that is where we differ - I always put "British" on forms, on one occasion crossing out the only option of European.

 

I love Europe/Europeans but detest the EU; I am a British citizen born in England and nothing the EU do will change that. 

No problem with any of that

 

I always describe myself as British

 

On landing cards I just put UK because I am lazy.

 

Nice to communicate with a sensible Brexiter.

[Grouse]

Brexiters frequently state that they were happy with the EEC. As the EEC incorporated a single (i.e. Common) market [beefed up by the direct intervention of Margaret Thatcher] AND a customs union (as defined by GATT) why are they so against remaining in a CU and SM? Do they actually understand?

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Single_Market

 

Look at the History section 

 

I can see no overarching reason why we should leave the CU and SM when to do so risks the collapse of the GFA and is already causing massive harm to our manufacturing sector.

[evadgib]

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Please provide some evidence that UKIP were good at tapping into peoples paranoia?

 

11 million voters would disagree with you. Makes me laugh when people have a different point of view and the only way to counteract is to shout them down as nutters.

 

I agree they were a party about getting the UK out of the EU and they did a good job of that, frightening the political elite as they rose as a party to challenge, with some direction I believe they could have done better. To say they had nothing else but a few far right wing nutters, shows ignorance and lack of understanding of how the political viewpoint was moving in that direction.

 

If a more mainstream party with some ideology from UKIP (out of the EU)  is born, then the two main parties of today could be out of power for a long time. Populist would come to the UK like it is spreading across Europe. Well its just my opinion so don't ask for evidence, as its just my perception.

Farage's UKIP morphed into Leavemeansleave. They in turn are a work in progress although it's far from clear what their future holds other than the fact that they are gaining substantial support.

Batten's UKIP are gaining support too but are struggling to shake off the stereotypical image manufactured at least in part by MSM & the opposition to suit their own ends.

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, LucysDad said:

Indeed, that is where we differ - I always put "British" on forms, on one occasion crossing out the only option of European.

 

I love Europe/Europeans but detest the EU; I am a British citizen born in England and nothing the EU do will change that. 

Slightly off topic but this reminds me of a kerfuffle some years ago when a white South African migrant to USA ticked 'African American' on politically correct paperwork soon after arrival as that is technically what he was ????

[evadgib]

13 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

Farage hacked what he desired most, a solid leave.

 

in my book, actually a fairly proper job

He may yet achieve just that ????

[evadgib]

55 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I can see no overarching reason why we should leave the CU and SM when to do so risks the collapse of the GFA and is already causing massive harm to our manufacturing sector.

Leaving will have no effect on the GFA. Our best/strongest course is to leave completely and be seen to have clearly done so (no 39Bn divorce payment) & for both sides to return to Davis's Canada +++ which the EU liked until Olly Wotsit scuppered it on orders from No10.

Trading under WTO in the meantime will be fine even if the above fails to materialize.

 

[Bannoi]

I wish I knew what I wanted.

[melvinmelvin]

29 minutes ago, evadgib said:

He may yet achieve just that ????

certain lack of precision in my post, I referred to the referendum

 

will it be realized? can still go both ways me thinks - the terrain is not clear

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Nice to communicate with a sensible Brexiter.

The shrewd prefer 'out flanked' but their silence fuels the illusion of the opposite.

This clip supports my last post:

 

[talahtnut]

On 1/26/2019 at 8:26 PM, Grouse said:

Yes

 

remainers read

The more you read, the less you think.  [A. Einstein]

The more you read, the more you become influenced

by other peoples thoughts. This is the reason that the

government works in collaboration with the news media.

Commonly known as brainwashing.

 

 

[Krataiboy]

19 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

The more you read, the less you think.  [A. Einstein]

The more you read, the more you become influenced

by other peoples thoughts. This is the reason that the

government works in collaboration with the news media.

Commonly known as brainwashing.

 

 

One of the problems humans have is that we'd rather read something we agree with than something we don't (myself included). 

 

Hence, the plethora of newspapers representing different schools of political and social thought. But hardly anyone buys and reads them all. The same applies to alternative media news sources, many of which are palpably there reinforce one's existing prejudices. 

 

Keeping an open mind seems increasingly to be a lost art, with most of us operating in echo-chambers which validate the views we already hold, irrespective of their objective merits.

 

I know this to be true, because I am Brexiteer down to my boots and I know no Remainer will ever convince me I am wrong!!!

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Leaving will have no effect on the GFA. Our best/strongest course is to leave completely and be seen to have clearly done so (no 39Bn divorce payment) & for both sides to return to Davis's Canada +++ which the EU liked until Olly Wotsit scuppered it on orders from No10.

Trading under WTO in the meantime will be fine even if the above fails to materialize.

 

Your comment on GFA puts you in the lead for the Twit of the Year

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Leaving will have no effect on the GFA. Our best/strongest course is to leave completely and be seen to have clearly done so (no 39Bn divorce payment) & for both sides to return to Davis's Canada +++ which the EU liked until Olly Wotsit scuppered it on orders from No10.

Are you sure the UK on top of the hit of a no-deal Brexit wants to deal with a lawsuit from the EU? At least you will have some time for that, since...

 

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Trading under WTO in the meantime will be fine even if the above fails to materialize.

...trading unter WTO will not be possible “in the meantime”; “UK may face seven-year wait for frictionless trade under WTO rules if it crashes out of EU” say lawyers specialized in E.U. law. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/27/uk-cannot-simply-trade-on-wto-terms-after-no-deal-brexit-say-experts)

[Grouse]

44 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

The more you read, the less you think.  [A. Einstein]

The more you read, the more you become influenced

by other peoples thoughts. This is the reason that the

government works in collaboration with the news media.

Commonly known as brainwashing.

 

 

Ah! So that's why Brexiters know so much; they don't own any books!

[Grouse]

30 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

One of the problems humans have is that we'd rather read something we agree with than something we don't (myself included). 

 

Hence, the plethora of newspapers representing different schools of political and social thought. But hardly anyone buys and reads them all. The same applies to alternative media news sources, many of which are palpably there reinforce one's existing prejudices. 

 

Keeping an open mind seems increasingly to be a lost art, with most of us operating in echo-chambers which validate the views we already hold, irrespective of their objective merits.

 

I know this to be true, because I am Brexiteer down to my boots and I know no Remainer will ever convince me I am wrong!!!

Fair enough. So what have you against a CU?

[Krataiboy]

15 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Fair enough. So what have you against a CU?

I've absolutely nothing against a ductile malleable reddish-brown corrosion-resistant diamagnetic metallic element which occurs in various minerals, but is the only metal that occurs abundantly in large masses and is used as an electrical and thermal conductor.

 

Whatevever makes you think I had?

[Krataiboy]

27 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Are you sure the UK on top of the hit of a no-deal Brexit wants to deal with a lawsuit from the EU? At least you will have some time for that, since...

 

...trading unter WTO will not be possible “in the meantime”; “UK may face seven-year wait for frictionless trade under WTO rules if it crashes out of EU” say lawyers specialized in E.U. law. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/27/uk-cannot-simply-trade-on-wto-terms-after-no-deal-brexit-say-experts)

So it is true. Somebody actually still reads the Grauniad.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

So it is true. Somebody actually still reads the Grauniad.

I love it when the Guardian quotes two EU Law specialist. Using that word 'may' again. So 2 lawyers in the EU's pocket tell us its doomsday. You could not make it up. People have a go about the Daily Mail and Express. The Guardian tops the lot as a tin pot paper, suitable for the walking the dog and picking up the mess.

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, talahtnut said:

The more you read, the less you think.  [A. Einstein]

The more you read, the more you become influenced

by other peoples thoughts. This is the reason that the

government works in collaboration with the news media.

Commonly known as brainwashing.

 

So, dont read any books or newspapers , dont watch any news programes and dont try to understand other peoples thoughts and go through life unbrainwashed ..............and braindead ?

  The idea is to read and listen to things and then form your own opinion

[melvinmelvin]

7 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

So it is true. Somebody actually still reads the Guardian.

interestingly Guardian seems to finally catch up and discover reality

 

wow

 

what has sandyf said zillion and a quarter times on these threads over the past couple of years

same same me

 

UK is not ready, started too late with WTO,

was busy with her wet dreams about brilliant trade deals with EU

 

zoo

 

[melvinmelvin]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I love it when the Guardian quotes two EU Law specialist. Using that word 'may' again. So 2 lawyers in the EU's pocket tell us its doomsday. You could not make it up. People have a go about the Daily Mail and Express. The Guardian tops the lot as a tin pot paper, suitable for the walking the dog and picking up the mess.

 

its serves its purpose as fish/chips/vinegar wrapping