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1 hour ago, My Thai Life said:

Except that A50 does not and cannot work like that.

 

Anyway, the withdrawal agreement is not an end deal, it's just an interim phase to a trade agreement with the EU. But May's WA is so stacked against UK interests that the WA will not be passed.

 

The end goal, as far as trade is concerned, is for the UK to be able to sign its own trade agreements. This is not possible if we are in a customs union. I'm sure you know this, but Jeremy Corbyn seems not to!

 

ahoy,

hold on a sec krap, you don't need no A50 in order to negotiate a withdrawal deal EU-UK

 

I am not comfortable with the way you approach this,

you are talking in capitals with absolutes

 

this is not mathematics with one correct answer

 

this is all about what the two parties agree on

 

there is nothing between heaven and earth that is not possible in a customs union

its a question of finding a common path

 

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1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

ahoy,

hold on a sec krap, you don't need no A50 in order to negotiate a withdrawal deal EU-UK

 

I am not comfortable with the way you approach this,

you are talking in capitals with absolutes

 

this is not mathematics with one correct answer

 

this is all about what the two parties agree on

 

there is nothing between heaven and earth that is not possible in a customs union

its a question of finding a common path

1. No A50 needed? Really? Ok. Actually I agree in principle. But we need to advise the EU bureaucrats and the HoC/L.

 

2. "Capitals with absolutes"? I have used bold to highlight a key point.

 

3. "Mathematics"? I agree. Economics is not a zero sum game. But try telling that to the Project Fear "forecasters". I seem to be the only person on TVF who has read the forecasts at source - certainly there is no evidence that anyone else has.

 

4. "this is all about what the two parties agree on". Really? I thought you'd been telling us for months that it's all about simply following EU rules for departure.

 

5. "there is nothing between heaven and earth that is not possible in a customs union". There are many things that are possible inside a CU. But the limitations on members of a CU are as I described. Where are you getting the info to support your assertion from? Can you name any other CUs?

 

You are one of the more articulate and polite "remainers", though I suppose that that term should really be reserved for people who are actually entitled to vote. Your posts have suggested that you have a long personal history with the EC. Would you mind if I asked you to elaborate?

 

By the way, your recent posts have suggested you reside in Yorkshire. Really? I lived in York for a couple of years a long while back. How's it going now?

 

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2 hours ago, My Thai Life said:

I don't claim a huge regulatory burden, it's a fact which is available to anyone who can use google. But I'll give you a general hint. A custom union is the most advanced kind of Trade Agreement yet devised by capitalism. I'll assume that the benefits are reasonably well known. But the disbenefits are not so well known: (1) a huge regulatory burden for member nations (how else can diverse national standards be harmonised) (2) a loss of sovereignty for member nations (3) the enforcement of external (3rd country) tariffs which (i) do not suit all members (ii) support inefficient practices (CAP) (Iii) destroy or seriously undermine some developing nations (I'm sure that you as a "progressive" wouldn't approve of that if you knew more about it) (4) the inability to sign independent FTAs. These disbenefits do not include the disbenefits that many people see in the Single Market, which is a separate topic that I won't go into in detail.

 

I don't understand what you're trying to say in your 2nd sentence. I have no business or personal experience of the Nordics (apart from a girlfriend or two), but I do know that Sweden's population is less than London's. As for the Netherlands, I have visited many times, even set up offices and businesses there. It's an extremely easy place to do business: the Dutch combine the creativity of the British with the process orientation of the Germans and the liberalism of London (my home town): the Netherlands is a truly great place in my experience.

 

 

 

 

So on the one hand the UK is laboring under a huge regulatory burden because of the EU. On the other hand, despite that, it's #1 in competitivenss even beating countries like the US and Canada that don't suffer from that regulatory burden. No wonder you support Brexit. You must believe that without the regulatory apparatus of the EU the UK will be number 1 in the world by a huge margin. Sounds realistic. I mean, British businesses are basically far in advance of any other nation in the world apart from regulations. It's just a well kept secret.

 

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2 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

I'll say this for the umpteenth time: I am not a Leaver or Remainer. I can see the benefits of both both positions. I am however a qualified economist who has worked in over 25 countries, a citizen of 2 EU countries, with Permanent Resident status in 2 further countries. I have a huge relevant international  business experience and a quaternary educationary to support it. 

 

The reasons that I tend to take the Leave position on this forum are that (1) Leave won the vote (2) the abuse and nastiness of many remain Remain posters here (3) so much of the Remain propaganda, paid for by UK tax-payers, is simply wrong - as was the BoE's and Treasury's pre-referendum "forecast" (4) the attempt to overthrow the democratic outcome of the UK referendum is absolutely appalling in my view - I can understand that a few crypto-fascist Neo-liberals would want to do this, but people who consider themselves to be "progressive" - no way. People who try to overthrow democratic process are not liberal or progressive.

 

 

Please, spare us the alleged curriculum vitae. Like all other posters here, your comments should be judged on the basis of their quality.

As for you not being a supporter of Leave...this is like those Americans who say I-don't-support-Trump-but...It's very clear you support leave. So spare us the pretense of impartiality.

If the Brexit referendum were to be reversed on the basis of a putsch you would have an excellent point. On the basis that Parliament ignored the referendum, you'd have a good one too. But since a 2nd referendum would be voted on the by mostly same electorate that voted on the first I just don't understand how that is undemocratic.

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1 hour ago, My Thai Life said:

?? 

 

1. No A50 needed? Really? Ok. Actually I agree in principle. But we need to advise the EU bureaucrats and the HoC/L.

 

2. "Capitals with absolutes"? I have used bold to highlight a key point.

 

3. "Mathematics"? I agree. Economics is not a zero sum game. But try telling that to the Project Fear "forecasters". I seem to be the only person on TVF who has read the forecasts at source - certainly there is no evidence that anyone else has.

 

4. "this is all about what the two parties agree on". Really? I thought you'd been telling us for months that it's all about simply following EU rules for departure.

 

5. "there is nothing between heaven and earth that is not possible in a customs union". There are many things that are possible inside a CU. But the limitations on members of a CU are as I described. Where are you getting the info to support your assertion from? Can you name any other CUs?

 

You are one of the more articulate and polite "leavers". Your posts have suggested that you have a long personal history with the EC. Would you mind if I asked you to elaborate?

 

By the way, your recent posts have suggested you reside in Yorkshire. Really? I lived in York for a couple of years a long while back. How's it going now?

  

now

will see if this works

 

1. No A50 needed? Really? Ok. Actually I agree in principle. But we need to advise the EU bureaucrats and the HoC/L.

Right,

Two partners sitting down at a table finding an agreed path forward where at the end UK is removed from the EU and EEA treaties, that is the kernel.

Can be done with and without A50.

2. "Capitals with absolutes"? I have used bold to highlight a key point.

Here my lack of command of English is shining through, clearly. When I say capitals and absolutes, I refer to your way of saying this this this is possible and this this this is not possible. That is capitals and absolutes to me. 

We are dealing with deals here, whatever is agreed is what goes.

3. "Mathematics"? I agree. Economics is not a zero sum game. But try telling that to the Project Fear "forecasters". I seem to be the only person on TVF who has read the forecasts at source - certainly there is no evidence that anyone else has.

 My use of the word mathematics – same as above – absolutes and capitals

4. "this is all about what the two parties agree on". Really? I thought you'd been telling us for months that it's all about simply following EU rules for departure.

 I beg your pardon, have  never said anything whatsoever along that line, what I am constantly arguing is that its all about negotiation and agreeing and making a deal. Having said that, EU has no rules for  departure. The only departure I know of is Greenland, apparently not  significant enough for EU to make rules 

5. "there is nothing between heaven and earth that is not possible in a customs union". There are many things that are possible inside a CU. But the limitations on members of a CU are as I described. Where are you getting the info to support your assertion from? Can you name any other CUs?

Well, my approach is different, its all soft sheite, what you agree is what goes. You cant look CU up in a book and find answers to what goes and what does not go. CUs are all about agreements, there are no recipes that must be followed.

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You are one of the more articulate and polite "leavers". Your posts have suggested that you have a long personal history with the EC. Would you mind if I asked you to elaborate?

I am not a leaver. But I have no problem understanding the desire for sovereignty and full control of legislation – borders – immigration. That is an honest path and should be respected.

Wise to leave? Wouldn’t know about that. Regarding the barstool talk, let GB be G again I think that UK would probably loose on that. But why try to be G if you can be happy as small.

 I am following Brexit closely because I am generally interested in politics and international relations.  Brexit stands out as a rather major landmark in this area since the early 60s.

I have 4 aspects (in the maritime sense) on Brexit

A Would be very interesting to watch how UK would fare after a hard Brexit.

B OK to have UK in EU as kinda handbrake against the wildest EU ideas

C I would hate to see UK in EFTA

D Interesting to follow the developments, very interesting, and I get annoyed and carried away when I see international relations and negotiations badly handled.

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By the way, your recent posts have suggested you reside in Yorkshire. Really? I lived in York for a couple of years a long while back. How's it going now?

 Hehe, ha ha,

I like York, a lot. (have a special memory about York and underware)

Am residing in Thailand.

“As we say in Yorkshire” is just an empty joke.

Sometimes I use that phrase when paraphrasing Norwegian slogans/sayings,

I can’t say as we say in Norway because we don’t speak English in Norway.

And Yorkshire is pretty Norway close.

Also.  I enjoy Yorkshire head on me pint.

When I went to Uni in Scotland we had all these student societies,

Chess, bridge, rugby, football – what the heck – and we had Yorkshire Society

In which I was a member, YorkSoc was all about getting pissed and having a ball, and outings to breweries and distilleries.

I was a prominent member, (and a member of CAMRA).

Curious about me and the Commission? I’ll see if I can produce smth condense.

But, must say, I am full of praise of how the Commission works and the total openness re their thinking and proceedings. And their willingness to listen to arguments. Don’t think there is any other political system around, anywhere in the world, that is equa 

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32 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

I'll say this for the umpteenth time: I am not a Leaver or Remainer. I can see the benefits of both both positions. I am however a qualified economist who has worked in over 25 countries, a citizen of 2 EU countries, with Permanent Resident status in 2 further countries. I have a huge relevant international  business experience and a quaternary educationary to support it.  

 

The reasons that I tend to take the Leave position on this forum are that (1) Leave won the vote (2) the abuse and nastiness of many Remain posters here (3) so much of the Remain propaganda, paid for by UK tax-payers, is simply wrong - as was the BoE's and Treasury's pre-referendum "forecasts" (4) the attempt to overthrow the democratic outcome of the UK referendum is absolutely appalling in my view - I can understand that a few crypto-fascist Neo-liberals would want to do this, but people who consider themselves to be "progressive" - no way.

 

People who try to overthrow democratic process are neither liberal nor progressive.

 

 

hmmm,

through my  6 degrees I never came across quaternary educationary,

my Oxford does not recognise it either

 

what is "quaternary educationary", please.

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24 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

I'll say this for the umpteenth time: I am not a Leaver or Remainer. I can see the benefits of both both positions. I am however a qualified economist who has worked in over 25 countries, a citizen of 2 EU countries, with Permanent Resident status in 2 further countries. I have a huge relevant international  business experience and a quaternary educationary to support it. 

 

The reasons that I tend to take the Leave position on this forum are that (1) Leave won the vote (2) the abuse and nastiness of many Remain posters here (3) so much of the Remain propaganda, paid for by UK tax-payers, is simply wrong - as was the BoE's and Treasury's pre-referendum "forecasts" (4) the attempt to overthrow the democratic outcome of the UK referendum is absolutely appalling in my view - I can understand that a few crypto-fascist Neo-liberals would want to do this, but people who consider themselves to be "progressive" - no way.

 

People who try to overthrow democratic process are neither liberal nor progressive.

 

 

This post by MTW should be the end of the debacle/debate.

But the hind leg of the donkey will remain firmly attached.

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58 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

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By the way, your recent posts have suggested you reside in Yorkshire. Really? I lived in York for a couple of years a long while back. How's it going now?

 Hehe, ha ha,

I like York, a lot. (have a special memory about York and underware)

Am residing in Thailand.

“As we say in Yorkshire” is just an empty joke.

Sometimes I use that phrase when paraphrasing Norwegian slogans/sayings,

I can’t say as we say in Norway because we don’t speak English in Norway.

And Yorkshire is pretty Norway close.

Also.  I enjoy Yorkshire head on me pint.

When I went to Uni in Scotland we had all these student societies,

Chess, bridge, rugby, football – what the heck – and we had Yorkshire Society

In which I was a member, YorkSoc was all about getting pissed and having a ball, and outings to breweries and distilleries.

I was a prominent member, (and a member of CAMRA).

Curious about me and the Commission? I’ll see if I can produce smth condense.

But, must say, I am full of praise of how the Commission works and the total openness re their thinking and proceedings. And their willingness to listen to arguments. Don’t think there is any other political system around, anywhere in the world, that is equa 

 

 Very sorry to inform you of this bad news. But even though you were fortunate to live in the wonderful city of York.

 Your application for one of these has been turned down.

One of the reasons, being that that vast majority of Yorkshire folk,voted to exit the so called European Union.

 

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30 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 Very sorry to inform you of this bad news. But even though you were fortunate to live in the wonderful city of York.

 Your application for one of these has been turned down.

One of the reasons, being that that vast majority of Yorkshire folk,voted to exit the so called European Union.

 

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pissed?

have no idea what you are talking about 

 

guess your comment fits nicely in with all the other pro Brexit against Brexit threads

 

 

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