RickG16 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 3 hours ago, mrbojangles said: No I haven't taken their word for it. I started by saying it's subjective and only an indicator. How's about you tell us how much Rashford is worth and when he's sold we'll see who was the nearest Granted you did point out it was subjective, so I don't know why you are entertaining this nonsense.... Rashford is the perfect case in point. There is no way you can put a market value on him. He is seen as the biggest hope for the future at United, homegrown, and pretty much not for sale at any price. If we did let him go it would be for way over 100M, and that's simply because of what he represents as a club asset. It doesn't mean he's twice as good a player as someone who is 'worth' 50M, it's just his individual circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 10:44 AM, mrbojangles said: I know valuations can be subjective but it's a good indicator of how well our investments have done. Manchester United squad worth £300m less than Man City and Liverpool FC Data suggests Manchester City's squad has a market value of £1.05bn - the highest in the world. Manchester City have assembled the most expensive squad in the world by market value, according to new data released ahead of the new Premier League season. A report by ESPN fuelled by data provided by Transfermarkt suggests the City squad has a market value of £1.05bn - the highest in the world. Raheem Sterling (£126m), Kevin De Bruyne (£117m), Leroy Sane (£90m) Bernardo Silva (£90m) and Aymeric Laporte (£67.5m) all add significant contributions to the total. Manchester City's 26-strong squad therefore has a mean value of around £40.5m. Their value puts them a little ahead of second-placed Liverpool (£1.0bn) and third-placed Barcelona (£959m) - and miles ahead of ninth-placed Manchester United (£706m). In order of their respective squad values, the Reds are behind Chelsea (£862m), Atletico Madrid (£841m), Paris Saint-Germain (£830m), Spurs (£793m) and Real Madrid (£785m). Manchester United's most value players are Paul Pogba (£90m), Marcus Rashford (£72m), Romelu Lukaku (67.5m), David de Gea (£58.5m) and Anthony Martial (£54m), Transfermarkt reports. Three of the quintet - Pogba, Lukaku and de Gea - have all been linked with summer transfer away from Old Trafford. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-squad-worth-300m-16482377 Interesting to put above figs against cost of squads, then you get a more accurate reflection of how good investments were. Man city 765m profit of 305m Utd 608m " 98m liverpool 554m '' 446m Chelsea 393m '' 469m Arse 355m Spurs 241m '' 552m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, alfieconn said: Interesting to put above figs against cost of squads, then you get a more accurate reflection of how good investments were. Man city 765m profit of 305m Utd 608m " 98m liverpool 554m '' 446m Chelsea 393m '' 469m Arse 355m Spurs 241m '' 552m Not sure of the source of those profit values, but surely clubs are looking for a return on their investment in terms of BOTH profit made (and not just in one year, but over a period of years) AND TROPHIES WON. Since 2008, major trophies won: Chelsea - 11 Manchester City - 10 Manchester United - 8 Arsenal - 3 Liverpool - 2 Leicester City, Wigan Athletic, Swansea City and Birmingham City – 1 Tottenham Hotspur - Zero Last season, major trophies won: Manchester City - 3 Chelsea, Liverpool - 1 Arsenal, Manchester United & Tottenham Hotspur - Zero I think now you have a more accurate reflection of how good investments have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, alfieconn said: Interesting to put above figs against cost of squads, then you get a more accurate reflection of how good investments were. Man city 765m profit of 305m Utd 608m " 98m liverpool 554m '' 446m Chelsea 393m '' 469m Arse 355m Spurs 241m '' 552m 11 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said: Not sure of the source of those profit values, but surely clubs are looking for a return on their investment in terms of BOTH profit made (and not just in one year, but over a period of years) AND TROPHIES WON. Since 2008, major trophies won: Chelsea - 11 Manchester City - 10 Manchester United - 8 Arsenal - 3 Liverpool - 2 Leicester City, Wigan Athletic, Swansea City and Birmingham City – 1 Tottenham Hotspur - Zero Last season, major trophies won: Manchester City - 3 Chelsea, Liverpool - 1 Arsenal, Manchester United & Tottenham Hotspur - Zero I think now you have a more accurate reflection of how good investments have been. If your not sure about the source of the profit values then explain which ones are incorrect. Anyway you've got it spot on BB, as a general rule of thumb the teams that spend the most money win the most trophies, it's not rocket science ! Edited June 29, 2019 by alfieconn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 15 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said: Not sure of the source of those profit values, but surely clubs are looking for a return on their investment in terms of BOTH profit made (and not just in one year, but over a period of years) AND TROPHIES WON. Since 2008, major trophies won: Chelsea - 11 Manchester City - 10 Manchester United - 8 Arsenal - 3 Liverpool - 2 Leicester City, Wigan Athletic, Swansea City and Birmingham City – 1 Tottenham Hotspur - Zero Last season, major trophies won: Manchester City - 3 Chelsea, Liverpool - 1 Arsenal, Manchester United & Tottenham Hotspur - Zero I think now you have a more accurate reflection of how good investments have been. To be fair, i don't know why you are directing your post at me when it was BJ who started the topic about how well City's investments had done, i merely pointed out the fact that to know how well an investment had done you have to know how much that investment cost initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 4 hours ago, alfieconn said: If your not sure about the source of the profit values then explain which ones are incorrect. Anyway you've got it spot on BB, as a general rule of thumb the teams that spend the most money win the most trophies, it's not rocket science ! I didn't doubt or challenge your profit values. Bit defensive there Alfie. As a general rule of thumb the wealthiest teams throughout history win the most trophies, but Leicester City, Wigan Athletic, Swansea City and Birmingham City are not as wealthy nor spent as much as Tottenham Hotspur but they've more in the past 11 years - funny that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) On 6/29/2019 at 9:19 AM, alfieconn said: If your not sure about the source of the profit values then explain which ones are incorrect. Anyway you've got it spot on BB, as a general rule of thumb the teams that spend the most money win the most trophies, it's not rocket science ! I would rather my club get into the knockout stages of the CL than win the League cup. In fact I'd rather my team got into the CL final, and get a top 4 placing than win both the League cup and the FA cup. Going on a points system, then: Points 100 CL winner ..75 CL finalist ..40 CL semies ..20 CL knock out stage 100 EPL champ ..65 EPL 2nd ..50 EPL 3rd ..35 EPL 4th ..40 FACup winner ..15 FACup finalist ..20 League Cup winner ....5 League Cup finalist ..45 Europa winner ..20 Europa finalist +++ 180 City 165 Liverpool 110 Spurs 100 Chelsea .20 Arsenal ..15 Watford Edited June 30, 2019 by owl sees all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) ^^^^^ 100 EPL champ 65 EPL 2nd 50 EPL 3rd 35 EPL 4th 20 EPL 5th 10 EPL 6th 5 EPL 7th 100 CL winner 75 CL finalist 40 CL semies 20 CL knock out stage 40 FACup winner 15 FACup finalist .20 League Cup winner ..5 League Cup finalist 45 Europa winner 20 Europa finalist 2019 season points 180 City 165 Liverpool 110 Spurs 100 Chelsea 40 Arsenal 15 Watford 10 Man Utd 5 Wolves Edited June 30, 2019 by owl sees all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, owl sees all said: ^^^^^ 100 EPL champ 65 EPL 2nd 50 EPL 3rd 35 EPL 4th 20 EPL 5th 10 EPL 6th 5 EPL 7th 100 CL winner 75 CL finalist 40 CL semies 20 CL knock out stage 40 FACup winner 15 FACup finalist .20 League Cup winner ..5 League Cup finalist 45 Europa winner 20 Europa finalist 2019 season points 180 City 165 Liverpool 110 Spurs 100 Chelsea 40 Arsenal 15 Watford 10 Man Utd 5 Wolves Must be quiet times up near the Mekong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, RickG16 said: Must be quiet times up near the Mekong. City and Liverpool dominated last season. Spurs and Chealsea did well too. But if the points system is applied since the start of the EPL, 27 years ago, Man Utd are way out in front. City are relative newcomers to the elite party (98/99 3rd flight). But set to dominate for next few years IMO. Quite times all round on the footy threads. Oh! Dear me, almost forgot, Ladies world cup. Edited July 1, 2019 by owl sees all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 We're all on holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 11:20 AM, owl sees all said: I would rather my club get into the knockout stages of the CL than win the League cup. In fact I'd rather my team got into the CL final, and get a top 4 placing than win both the League cup and the FA cup. Going on a points system, then: Points 100 CL winner ..75 CL finalist ..40 CL semies ..20 CL knock out stage 100 EPL champ ..65 EPL 2nd ..50 EPL 3rd ..35 EPL 4th ..40 FACup winner ..15 FACup finalist ..20 League Cup winner ....5 League Cup finalist ..45 Europa winner ..20 Europa finalist +++ 180 City 165 Liverpool 110 Spurs 100 Chelsea .20 Arsenal ..15 Watford Which team are you this week? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 39 minutes ago, Kadilo said: Which team are you this week? Come on you ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Man City to evict Bury FC from Carrington training ground The cash-strapped Shakers are being served with notice to quit after failing to uphold their agreement with landlords Manchester City. Manchester City are set to serve Bury with notice to quit their Carrington training ground. The Blues have allowed the newly-promoted Shakers to use their old base since 2014, when they moved into the new City Football Academy facility. But City claim the troubled Shakers have failed to fulfil their obligations in the deal, which stipulated that they had to keep the buildings and pitches well maintained. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-evict-bury-fc-16509443 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Bit nasty that mrboj....you old Rigsby lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 hours ago, RonniePickering22 said: Bit nasty that mrboj....you old Rigsby lol. Did you read the article Ronnie? We have let them use the facility for free for about 5 years, as long as they took care of the place. They have let the place get run down and even had the water turned off. After several warnings it left City with no choice. We have saved Bury approx. £350,000 what has the other big club down the road done to help Bury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: Did you read the article Ronnie? We have let them use the facility for free for about 5 years, as long as they took care of the place. They have let the place get run down and even had the water turned off. After several warnings it left City with no choice. We have saved Bury approx. £350,000 what has the other big club down the road done to help Bury? Sounds like a shambles of a club....nearing the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Looks like Man United might beat out City to sign Maguire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 34 minutes ago, jellydog said: Looks like Man United might beat out City to sign Maguire. Or are we just helping to push the price up so United pay over the top ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, mrbojangles said: Or are we just helping to push the price up so United pay over the top ???? I think that's the 'joke' he was trying to make. It's possible, but we have other targets too. One advantage of being linked with everyone is at least the selling club knows you have other options. What's your view on Maguire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, RickG16 said: What's your view on Maguire? He's ok and English but I'll be happy if you get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, mrbojangles said: He's ok and English Insightful stuff.... Maybe one of the things that might put off Pep is that Maguire-Stones-Walker are used to playing in a back 3 for England, whereas for City it would likely be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, RickG16 said: Insightful stuff.... Maybe one of the things that might put off Pep is that Maguire-Stones-Walker are used to playing in a back 3 for England, whereas for City it would likely be different. Just so you know I'm not just saying it because now United might get him. This is what I said on the 21st June in response to champers on the Leicester thread:- On 6/21/2019 at 9:19 AM, champers said: Leicester will be much improved after Harry Maguire jogs off. The most overrated player in the Prem. Looks like City will be getting him to replace Kompany. Trading a Rolls Royce for a Lada. On 6/21/2019 at 9:25 AM, mrbojangles said: Couldn't agree more mate. I'm not happy about us going for Maguire (especially for that money). However, Pep must be seeing something I'm not, so I guess we'll have to trust his knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: Just so you know I'm not just saying it because now United might get him. This is what I said on the 21st June in response to champers on the Leicester thread:- Fair enough.... I like the fact that he is English, think he is a good CB, and a big aerial threat from corners which we have been missing. But pound for pound Koulibaly looks like the better player. The indications I've see are that Napoli will want over 100M though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, mrbojangles said: Or are we just helping to push the price up so United pay over the top ???? Yeah, that occurred to me as well. There's good and bad with this. The good being City won't be overpaying for a player, and the bad being Maguire is a definite upgrade on United's current crop of centre-backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Rodri: Manchester City pay £62.6m release clause for Atletico Madrid's Spain midfielderhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48859841 decent squad asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kadilo said: Rodri: Manchester City pay £62.6m release clause for Atletico Madrid's Spain midfielderhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48859841 decent squad asset. I was about to post that about Rodri. Finally City are about to acquire the Fernandinho cover/replacement I've been moaning about the past 2 or 3 years. Great to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) On 7/2/2019 at 3:43 PM, RickG16 said: Fair enough.... I like the fact that he is English, think he is a good CB, and a big aerial threat from corners which we have been missing. But pound for pound Koulibaly looks like the better player. The indications I've see are that Napoli will want over 100M though. Utd can afford £100m....one of the few clubs who can. Edited July 3, 2019 by RonniePickering22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 12 hours ago, jellydog said: I was about to post that about Rodri. Finally City are about to acquire the Fernandinho cover/replacement I've been moaning about the past 2 or 3 years. Great to see. Yes great to see they decided against Rice ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) A really positive Copa America for Gabriel Jesus. He got more minutes due to Neymar being out, as well as Richarlison missing time with the mumps. Scored some goals and generally looked sharp. Sent off with two yellows in the final but no harm done. Apparently only the one goal, today, but still really sharp. Edited July 7, 2019 by jellydog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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