Mavideol Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, RickG16 said: Are our midfielders good enough? Not sure about that correct again..... not a creative midfileder in the team, not one for God's sake, what manager does something like that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 On 9/26/2021 at 3:58 PM, RickG16 said: As you can see by posts like this, it's an irresistible narrative that Ronaldo comes and messes everything up but that's just not the case. Ronaldo relies on service. The problem yesterday was service to Ronaldo and the midfield. And obviously Greenwood being wasteful. Also I'm not sure he was standing over the penalty. When your mate is being surrounded and put off by players I think it's just showing support to be nearby But yeah 10/10 to Martinez for those tactics 10/10 to you for the perfect analysis 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Just now, Mavideol said: 10/10 to you for the perfect analysis 555 Thank you sir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) On 9/29/2021 at 4:08 PM, ChipButty said: you are right on the money..... but OLE knows better 555 Edited October 3, 2021 by Mavideol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mavideol said: they had the guy but let him go or is he still there Dalot To be fair mate Dalot is back with us this season and hasn't been very good ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, Kadilo said: …..add Carrick who looks totally gormless to OLS who is clueless and your going to win nothing. I tend to agree with most of what you said. But the thing is with rating coaches we never know what they are / aren't telling the players. One thing which I have noticed is all our coaches seem to be youngish ex players or ex Loughborough university. Surely there is room for an older more experienced coach with different perspective. And I'm not talking about Mike Phelan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, RickG16 said: I tend to agree with most of what you said. But the thing is with rating coaches we never know what they are / aren't telling the players. One thing which I have noticed is all our coaches seem to be youngish ex players or ex Loughborough university. Surely there is room for an older more experienced coach with different perspective. And I'm not talking about Mike Phelan. I reckon Phelan is more than half the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 A great example is Lampard he had a transfer window to die for 250 million squid and couldn't make that team click, Roman saw right through it and sacked him, brought Tuchel in and won the CL with the same team, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Not the worst result for us that. Title race on...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 18 hours ago, Mavideol said: you are right on the money..... but OLE knows better 555 I know your remark is a sarcastic one, however IMO Ole has no idea what he is doing, and that he became a bit snarky in the after match commentary (watched on BBC iPlayer Match of the Day) shows just that. He is overawed by the job, and the fact that he has Cristiano Ronaldo sitting on the bench, and then stating that he was "no longer a young pup" hence being a substitute, was derisory. I say this because here is a man who can win games and for his age is remarkably fit and agile. Also I'm not a fan of Pogba, but sitting on that bench along with Ronaldo, Jesse Lingard and Donny you had a lineup to die for. Another thing which points in the direction of "Ole being lost and still wanting to stamp his mark on the club...I am the boss" is the fact that Donny Van der Beek really hasn't had a look in since he was bought, and I can only assume that buying him was not wholly Ole's decision, hence the cold shoulder. It is time for United to look elsewhere, and I sincerely hope they are hunting for the next manager and can get Ole out ASAP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mavideol Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 23 hours ago, RickG16 said: To be fair mate Dalot is back with us this season and hasn't been very good ???? are you saying he has been sitting on the bench, if so how can somebody assess if he's good or not.... Milan was happy with his performances and they would like him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 4 hours ago, xylophone said: I know your remark is a sarcastic one, however IMO Ole has no idea what he is doing, and that he became a bit snarky in the after match commentary (watched on BBC iPlayer Match of the Day) shows just that. He is overawed by the job, and the fact that he has Cristiano Ronaldo sitting on the bench, and then stating that he was "no longer a young pup" hence being a substitute, was derisory. I say this because here is a man who can win games and for his age is remarkably fit and agile. Also I'm not a fan of Pogba, but sitting on that bench along with Ronaldo, Jesse Lingard and Donny you had a lineup to die for. Another thing which points in the direction of "Ole being lost and still wanting to stamp his mark on the club...I am the boss" is the fact that Donny Van der Beek really hasn't had a look in since he was bought, and I can only assume that buying him was not wholly Ole's decision, hence the cold shoulder. It is time for United to look elsewhere, and I sincerely hope they are hunting for the next manager and can get Ole out ASAP. I am with you, couldn't believe what Glazer/Woodward saw on Ole but ????? Pogba should have been gone longtime ago, agree with Lingard, Van Der Beek and can't undersatnd why he doesn't use them, MU needs (too many) good players to have a chance to fight to the top places, currently they are just an average team........ and Woodward fired Mourinho because he didn't allow Mourinho to get the players needed to refresh the team, just look at the competition Liv, City, Chelsea and the quality of players they have and some seat on the bench thus healthy competition, I don't see it at MU, leaving Ronaldo on the bench and playing Martial...... then Sancho instead of Lingard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, RickG16 said: I tend to agree with most of what you said. But the thing is with rating coaches we never know what they are / aren't telling the players. One thing which I have noticed is all our coaches seem to be youngish ex players or ex Loughborough university. Surely there is room for an older more experienced coach with different perspective. And I'm not talking about Mike Phelan. If OLS had spent some time under a decent coach he may have had a chance over time but he’s totally out of his depth and the sentimental appointment is backfiring. Even if he is telling them the right instructions they clearly aren’t listening and in that case have no respect for him. He needs to be moved along with all his backup team before it becomes too embarrassing and he damages both his past reputation with the club and any chance you have of winning anything. Edited October 4, 2021 by Kadilo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Kadilo said: He needs to be moved along with all his backup team before it becomes too embarrassing and he damages both his past reputation with the club The stupid thing about all of this is that he was hired to run, arguably, one of the top teams in the world, whereas his history in football management was average, and with lower grade teams (respectfully). His past reputation with United was as a goal poacher, and he was good at that, but as we have seen many times, outfield players do not necessarily make good managers, and I fear that United will find this out to their detriment. They had chances to sign much better managers, but for some reason decided against it, and I fear they will suffer the consequences this year because they don't seem to be a team with a plan or for that matter intelligent guidance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanuk711 Posted October 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 Gareth Southgate's being touted as the next Manchester United manager. If I understand this correctly, they'll be replacing a man who gets to finals and doesn't win trophies with a man who gets to finals and doesn't win trophies........................... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 49 minutes ago, Mavideol said: are you saying he has been sitting on the bench, if so how can somebody assess if he's good or not.... Milan was happy with his performances and they would like him back He's played 2 or 3 games I think. Was absolutely exposed against Villareal. We've heard different things about his time at Milan. I heard he wasn't great and was in and out of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Kadilo said: If OLS had spent some time under a decent coach he may have had a chance over time but he’s totally out of his depth and the sentimental appointment is backfiring. Even if he is telling them the right instructions they clearly aren’t listening and in that case have no respect for him. He needs to be moved along with all his backup team before it becomes too embarrassing and he damages both his past reputation with the club and any chance you have of winning anything. I'm in 2 minds. On the one hand after bouncing around a few managers we have invested in continuity and a 'club man' so I feel he should at least be given until the end of the season otherwise what was the point of allowing him to build a team. On the other hand, Tuchel came in mid season and showed you can turn things around I think the hope with Ole is that once / if he comes good we could have him at the helm for 10-15 years, so it will be worth the wait. After all, the PL now is arguably stronger than when Fergie took over in 1986. And as we know, Fergie took it 5 years or so to start getting it right. Obviously Fergie had a much better pedigree than Ole winning things at Aberdeen etc The truth is like a lot of United fans I want to give Ole a chance to turn it around but we can't have many more bad results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, xylophone said: The stupid thing about all of this is that he was hired to run, arguably, one of the top teams in the world, whereas his history in football management was average, and with lower grade teams (respectfully). But we can't ignore the fact he's done better (certainly in terms of league position) that the two very experienced managers before him. And I think United fans were much more unhappy on the whole under LVG and Mourinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, RickG16 said: But we can't ignore the fact he's done better (certainly in terms of league position) that the two very experienced managers before him. And I think United fans were much more unhappy on the whole under LVG and Mourinho. Good point...........but where to now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Just now, xylophone said: Good point...........but where to now?? Got to be on a game by game basis. 4 hard games now, we will know a lot by the end of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 48 minutes ago, RickG16 said: The truth is like a lot of United fans I want to give Ole a chance to turn it around Give him at least 3 more years. When SAF was still in charge, United fans on here all used to go on and on about stability ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: Give him at least 3 more years. When SAF was still in charge, United fans on here all used to go on and on about stability ???? Yeah I'm sure you'd love us to give him 3 more years! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 9 hours ago, RickG16 said: Got to be on a game by game basis. 4 hard games now, we will know a lot by the end of them. The end of November you will know, is the writing on the wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 18 hours ago, RickG16 said: I'm in 2 minds. On the one hand after bouncing around a few managers we have invested in continuity and a 'club man' so I feel he should at least be given until the end of the season otherwise what was the point of allowing him to build a team. On the other hand, Tuchel came in mid season and showed you can turn things around I think the hope with Ole is that once / if he comes good we could have him at the helm for 10-15 years, so it will be worth the wait. After all, the PL now is arguably stronger than when Fergie took over in 1986. And as we know, Fergie took it 5 years or so to start getting it right. Obviously Fergie had a much better pedigree than Ole winning things at Aberdeen etc The truth is like a lot of United fans I want to give Ole a chance to turn it around but we can't have many more bad results. they should have done the same (give them time 4-5 years) with Van Gaal and/or Mourinho but instead they wanted everything now and now and now not later, it takes time to built a good team, manager and players need to be on the same train of thoughts and with positive attitude.... one for all and all for one, sorry but don't see it at MU. Mourinho won Europa league and was sacked..... OLE won sh.. and still around, wonder what Woodward has in mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, Mavideol said: they should have done the same (give them time 4-5 years) with Van Gaal and/or Mourinho but instead they wanted everything now and now and now not later, it takes time to built a good team, manager and players need to be on the same train of thoughts and with positive attitude.... one for all and all for one, sorry but don't see it at MU. Mourinho won Europa league and was sacked..... OLE won sh.. and still around, wonder what Woodward has in mind True, but another reason Ole has lasted longer is style of play. United fans are far more forgiving of defensive lapses than they are of the side to side passing we saw under LVG and Mourinho. When you start losing games and you play like that there's no way you are getting 4-5 years . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Mavideol said: wonder what Woodward has in mind Woodward has gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Why is mediocrity being rewarded?! Ole and Phelan are responsible for such dire selections ,team tactics and results! After we play Man City in November,our title hopes will be over!! Where's the accountability?! Liverpool,Man City and Chelsea must be delighted with the news! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Just read a report on the BBC about a share sell-off by the Glazers. Apparently it is the 2nd sell-off since the Euro Super League incident. Glazers will end up with just 69% of shares. Where are the rest going? Anyone in the know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 22 hours ago, ChipButty said: Woodward has gone who replaced him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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