owl sees all Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) On 3/23/2021 at 5:57 AM, stament said: Anyways, who do you think will lift the FA Cup? Both the League cup and the FA cup need an overhaul. Especially the FA. The League Cup should be seeded right from the start** (going on previous league placings) and the FA cup needs the big boys (top 2 divs) much earlier. ** If not scrapped altogether. Edited April 14, 2021 by owl sees all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, owl sees all said: What happens to the top 4 when Chelsea win the trophy? Don't want to see Foxes or Irons miss out. It depends on where Chelsea finish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, owl sees all said: What happens to the top 4 when Chelsea win the trophy? Don't want to see Foxes or Irons miss out. Here you go: "Should a Premier League club win the UEFA Champions League they will automatically qualify for the group stage of next season's competition regardless of their league finishing position. Should a Premier League club win the UEFA Europa League they will automatically qualify for the group stage of next season's UEFA Champions League regardless of their league finishing position. A maximum of five Premier League teams are eligible for UEFA Champions League qualification. In the event that a Premier League club win the UEFA Champions League and another win the UEFA Europa League and neither of these clubs finish in the top four of the Premier League, the club lying fourth in the table will drop into the UEFA Europa League group stage." Note: Man U are FAVs for the Europa league and Arsenal are also in it, hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, stament said: Here you go: "Should a Premier League club win the UEFA Champions League they will automatically qualify for the group stage of next season's competition regardless of their league finishing position. Should a Premier League club win the UEFA Europa League they will automatically qualify for the group stage of next season's UEFA Champions League regardless of their league finishing position. A maximum of five Premier League teams are eligible for UEFA Champions League qualification. In the event that a Premier League club win the UEFA Champions League and another win the UEFA Europa League and neither of these clubs finish in the top four of the Premier League, the club lying fourth in the table will drop into the UEFA Europa League group stage." Note: Man U are FAVs for the Europa league and Arsenal are also in it, hope this helps. So! What we want is Chelsea or City to win the CL. It would be OK for United to win the Europa. Looks good for: City - EPL Winners Chelsea - Ch L Winners and/or out of top 4 EPL United - Europa Winners or second EPL Foxes - Third EPL Irons - Fourth EPL Thanks for clearing that up stament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, owl sees all said: So! What we want is Chelsea or City to win the CL. It would be OK for United to win the Europa. Looks good for: City - EPL Winners Chelsea - Ch L Winners and/or out of top 4 EPL United - Europa Winners or second EPL Foxes - Third EPL Irons - Fourth EPL Thanks for clearing that up stament. Note if Chelsea win the EL and finish outside the top 4 and Arsenal win the Europa league then there only the top 3 will qualify most likely City, United + 1. Edited April 14, 2021 by stament 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithsimmonds Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 5 hours ago, stament said: Who would you prefer in the semis? I prefer Real as I think it will suit us better. Bayern really missed Ledanowski over the 2 legs. I think if he had have been fit they would surely have advanced. Could have a Poch v Klopp repeat for the final, let's hope not.... Liverpool...the more Epl clubs making it to the semi/ Finals of UEFA ,s 2 club competitions the better imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, keithsimmonds said: Liverpool...the more Epl clubs making it to the semi/ Finals of UEFA ,s 2 club competitions the better imho. Agree from an English coefficient view point, but from a CH view point I think we will have a less tough match against Real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 So Real it is ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Muton Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, stament said: So Real it is ???? Jing Jing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jellydog Posted April 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2021 I'll be looking forward to Chelsea whupping up on Madrid real good. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Muton Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, jellydog said: I'll be looking forward to Chelsea whupping up on Madrid real good. .....like '71 all over again! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Pleased you beat Porto. Must be UEFA's worst nightmare having Chelsea, City and PSG in the CL semi-finals. They'll be praying for a Real Madrid win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgit Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Blue Muton said: .....like '71 all over again! Ah, great memories of our trip to Athens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said: Pleased you beat Porto. Must be UEFA's worst nightmare having Chelsea, City and PSG in the CL semi-finals. They'll be praying for a Real Madrid win. Don't forget how the king of Spain has helped Madrid before with huge land gifts to help bail them out. Besides UEFA like City they didn't prosecute them for FFP to the full extent nor PSG so whose to say they don't want one of them to win? I expect they would like a new winner. I'm sure Barca won't want a Real win Edited April 16, 2021 by stament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 On 4/14/2021 at 3:41 PM, keithsimmonds said: Liverpool...the more Epl clubs making it to the semi/ Finals of UEFA ,s 2 club competitions the better imho. You got your wish, 4 made the semis not a bad return 50% strike rate. I predict 3 will make the finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 15 hours ago, oldgit said: Ah, great memories of our trip to Athens. My Dad told me about it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, stament said: Besides UEFA like City they didn't prosecute them for FFP to the full extent Oh yeah, UEFA REALLY like City ???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said: Oh yeah, UEFA REALLY like City ???????????? Well they did a great job of prosecuting them with the time limits passing didn't they. Didn't exactly aggressively prosecute them did they, similar to PSG re FFP? Are you a City fan by chance? Edited April 16, 2021 by stament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 27 minutes ago, stament said: Didn't exactly aggressively prosecute them did they, similar to PSG re FFP? Yes they did. They did their own Kangaroo court but City fought and won the trumped up charges in a neutral, no bias court of arbitration. The PSG side was purely down to incompetence by UEFA in not responding within the set period of their own rules. PSG had them by the ..lls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: Yes they did. They did their own Kangaroo court but City fought and won the trumped up charges in a neutral, no bias court of arbitration. The PSG side was purely down to incompetence by UEFA in not responding within the set period of their own rules. PSG had them by the ..lls They did win but UEFA dragged their heels which aided them immensely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Muton Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, stament said: Well they did a great job of prosecuting them with the time limits passing didn't they. Didn't exactly aggressively prosecute them did they, similar to PSG re FFP? Are you a City fan by chance? He is a City Gent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, stament said: They did win but UEFA dragged their heels which aided them immensely. Your first 3 words were enough. UEFA didn't drag their heels, they used as much time as possible to get as much evidence (from illegal sources) as they could for their kangaroo court. Apologies, this is the Chelsea thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: Yes they did. They did their own Kangaroo court but City fought and won the trumped up charges in a neutral, no bias court of arbitration. The PSG side was purely down to incompetence by UEFA in not responding within the set period of their own rules. PSG had them by the ..lls Why did UEFA take so long to bring the case, and why did they persist if it was outside the statute of limitations? That is tough to answer. If they had managed to bring their case in five months -- from when the documents were first published to when the statute of limitations expired -- maybe the outcome would have been different. Instead, from start to finish, it took them 15 months. Or maybe not: like I said we don't know what allegations fell into the "time breach" category and which fell into the "not established" category. It is also likely UEFA argued that, given the severity of the allegations and the fact that new evidence was being introduced, the statute of limitations should not apply, and that was the conclusion reached by CFCB's independent adjudicatory chamber. As to why CAS felt differently, well, we will need to wait for them to publish the full award. There's another aspect here. Rather than going down the CFCB route, UEFA could have pursued the case via its disciplinary committee. There would still be a statute of limitations, but the process would likely have been swifter and possibly more targeted, although the potential punishment would have been less severe." In addition both City & PSG had secret agreement for breaches of FPP. I would say that based on that someone at UEFA likes City or PSG or maybe likes something else more.... "Certain facts remain, like the one that they breached FFP rules and agreed a settlement in 2014 that was, effectively, a plea bargain (so too did PSG, for that matter.) That is not going to change and perceptions of that are not going to change." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Blue Muton said: He is a City Gent. Was 99% sure with that name but couldn't be 100%. Hence, couldn't expect an objective answer, and didn't get one either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: Your first 3 words were enough. UEFA didn't drag their heels, they used as much time as possible to get as much evidence (from illegal sources) as they could for their kangaroo court. Apologies, this is the Chelsea thread I beg to differ, they did drag their heels and also let them off with a secret pact before for $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stament Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: Your first 3 words were enough. UEFA didn't drag their heels, they used as much time as possible to get as much evidence (from illegal sources) as they could for their kangaroo court. Apologies, this is the Chelsea thread Correct this is the real Blues thread ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Muton Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, stament said: Was 99% sure with that name but couldn't be 100%. Hence, couldn't expect an objective answer, and didn't get one either! There should be a law prohibiting anyone from ever being objective about their team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgit Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 hours ago, stament said: My Dad told me about it.... Across to Greece on a 'fried out combi, on a hippie trail head full of zombie'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 hours ago, stament said: Besides UEFA like City they didn't prosecute them for FFP to the full extent Not quite sure how you can say that. UEFA banned City from European competition for two years (2020/21 and 2021/22) and fined us €30 million. If my memory serves me right, the 2 years ban, not a 1 year ban expected, was a big surprise at the time to everybody. UEFA went in hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 hours ago, stament said: Well they did a great job of prosecuting them with the time limits passing didn't they. Didn't exactly aggressively prosecute them did they Huh, UEFA went for a 2 year ban and €30 million fine? Both UEFA and City's legal teams went in this dispute expecting to win. The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) overturned City’s two-year UEFA Champions League ban on appeal and also reduced the fine to 10 million euros. UEFA thought they had a better case than they did. The The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) didn't side with UEFA though. Justice was served in a court of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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