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Jonathan Fairfield

The official rubber trees thread 2019

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Sold cup at auction yesterday, 19.34 Baht per kg.

Huge, stinking production from everybody as 3 instead of 2 weeks between sales.

Still on a 55/45 split as the price is below 20.00 baht per kg.

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Well the locals with the correct land title have been paid to stop tapping, and it's pissed it down since. 555. Why am I laughing? We aren't in that group :(

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Sold cup at auction today, 20.12 Baht per kg.

10 bidders, lowest bid 19.30, , 6 bidders in the 19's, 4 bidders in the 20's.

Going back to a 60/40 split.

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More rain in the forecast. Parts of the South could be hit with the biggest storm in 50 years.
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Get well soon @Mosha.

 

Anyone seen/used these. Had dinner with head of Chachengsao Rubber institute (name-droppper, I know).

 

He was telling us about them. B4000 from China, battery life for 1,000 trees.

 

 

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On 12/17/2018 at 11:20 AM, Mosha said:

Well the locals with the correct land title have been paid to stop tapping, and it's pissed it down since. 555. Why am I laughing? We aren't in that group 😞

If I understood my better half correctly, they get Baht 1,800/rai for a maximum of 10 rai (or Baht 18,000) paid out. In addition to this, they receive an additional Baht 10,000 per rai to cut and sell the trees (this money is IN ADDITION to the value of the timber). 

Up where we live, the family-in-law can't find people to do the tapping.

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20 hours ago, djayz said:

If I understood my better half correctly, they get Baht 1,800/rai for a maximum of 10 rai (or Baht 18,000) paid out. In addition to this, they receive an additional Baht 10,000 per rai to cut and sell the trees (this money is IN ADDITION to the value of the timber). 

Up where we live, the family-in-law can't find people to do the tapping.

Yeah but B10k/rai to cut down your trees is nothing compared to the 7-9 years invested in bringing them to maturity. The wood is worth sweet fa. Bout B700/tonne. I'm looking at the tapping machine above and DIY, our tappers have jacked.

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6 hours ago, grollies said:

Yeah but B10k/rai to cut down your trees is nothing compared to the 7-9 years invested in bringing them to maturity. The wood is worth sweet fa. Bout B700/tonne. I'm looking at the tapping machine above and DIY, our tappers have jacked.

Good point, but the missus and family between them have just under 50 rai of rubber plants, which are only tapped every once in a blue moon. = zero income from rubber for most of the year. 

Why not cash in, sell off the lumber, dig up the roots (easier said that done) and start anew? 

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5 hours ago, djayz said:

Good point, but the missus and family between them have just under 50 rai of rubber plants, which are only tapped every once in a blue moon. = zero income from rubber for most of the year. 

Why not cash in, sell off the lumber, dig up the roots (easier said that done) and start anew? 

If no one is tapping and there is no intention to then I suppose so. Wait for the family arguments about how any money is split. How old are the trees?

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8 hours ago, djayz said:

Good point, but the missus and family between them have just under 50 rai of rubber plants, which are only tapped every once in a blue moon. = zero income from rubber for most of the year. 

Why not cash in, sell off the lumber, dig up the roots (easier said that done) and start anew? 

around the village there are a few plantations all over 12/13 years old, no one is cutting this year or last year... some have never been opened. back when we had some trees we always had problems getting people to work, too much work, not enough, no time ect.... when the price was around 30 baht a kg we said to the tappers you can have all the money, just keep the land in an ok state, even that offer was not enough to get them working....

the trees all got burnt/damaged. sold the wood for a few thousand baht, had the stumps dug out, rented the land for cane, the land is/was useless as far as i can see, the trees must have drained what little goodness was in the land. its been left now for 1/2 years, got a new fella farming in for cane now, hope he can make a better job/return of it than the last guy.

around here digging the large roots out and then pushing them into a heep at the side is 3,500 baht per rai if my memory still works, more if you want the grap tractor and lorries to cart the roots away. that 3500 a rai is a 20 ton macro and large tractor working rate.

if i were in your/family position i would keep the trees in the land and try and work them "myself" shame after all that money and time just to spend more digging em out and then spend again for on a new project that will make ?

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On 1/2/2019 at 10:22 PM, djayz said:

If I understood my better half correctly, they get Baht 1,800/rai for a maximum of 10 rai (or Baht 18,000) paid out. In addition to this, they receive an additional Baht 10,000 per rai to cut and sell the trees (this money is IN ADDITION to the value of the timber). 

Up where we live, the family-in-law can't find people to do the tapping.

 

On 1/2/2019 at 10:22 PM, djayz said:

10 rai

Actually 15 rai, but the rest you have quoted is factual.

We are getting that money for 15 rai, it's meant to be a split of 1000 for the tappers and 800 for the owners or summat similar.

Or is it 1600 total per rai with a 1000/600 split?

Either way, neither here nor there if you have 2 plots of land totaling 64 rai and 2 pairs of tappers.

So we will get zilch personally, and just hand out 15 x 1600 divide by 4.

'coz we 're nice.

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Re the above posts, jeez, you guys have it tough with workers.

Up our way, there are lists with the village headman for rubber tappers in a queue who want work.

We have NEVER GONE ONE WEEK in 8 seasons tapping without staff.

REGARDLESS of the current price.

ie, @ 20 baht per kg for cup, if one pair of my staff left tomorrow, by 48 hours later, we'd have new ones.

Fortunately we have had the same staff on one plot for 5 years and another pair on another plot (with free accommodation) for 3 years.

Very trustworthy.

Very reliable.

Very helpful.

Very hard working.

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8 hours ago, djayz said:

which are only tapped every once in a blue moon

Production will be awful if tapped like this. If the trees are not tapped in synch and to a regular schedule, output falls off a cliff.

You only have to see output from a tree if it has'nt been cut for 4-5 days in the rainy season.

Let alone weeks.

Wasting their time.

8 hours ago, djayz said:

Good point, but the missus and family between them have just under 50 rai of rubber plants, which are only tapped every once in a blue moon. = zero income from rubber for most of the year. 

Just don't understand this mindset.

50 rai of rubber still brings in a decent income for a Thai countryside family, especially at this time of year.

My missus is CLEARING, ie net profit, 60 k per calendar month Nov-Dec-Jan @ 19-20 baht per kg for cup.

I just don't understand the mindset of not tapping 50 rai of mature trees.

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On 1/2/2019 at 4:01 PM, grollies said:

Get well soon @Mosha.

 

Anyone seen/used these. Had dinner with head of Chachengsao Rubber institute (name-droppper, I know).

 

He was telling us about them. B4000 from China, battery life for 1,000 trees.

 

 

Wow!

Looks like any unskilled retard (like me) could tap trees.

Fast too.

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8 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

Wow!

Looks like any unskilled retard (like me) could tap trees.

Fast too.

I'm getting one for next season. We also struggle getting tappers here.

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16 hours ago, grollies said:

How old are the trees?

Between 8/9 and 14 years old. 

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