Pigs 101 (A Start): The official pig farming thread 2019

[jompa67 48]

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[IsaanAussie 1,684]

Very interesting article. I am not an expert and can make no comment on the science involved but it makes sense to me. A very cloaked attack on the obvious major corporate player here at the end though. 

If I was still actively involved in the industry, I would adopt a strategy of complete isolation. Nothing comes in, anything that goes out, stays out. The only open issue would be the chance of infection via commercial pelletised feed. Considering the temperature and process, that seems unlikely.

[fourpack 346]

As a matter of interest ball park figure if I may costs of sows ready to breed.

Asking only as I have a vested interest (very silent partner) in a pig farm run by wife's family. Just have a sneaky suspicion about one of the managers.(uncle).

Excuse my ignorance on this just trying to get a ball park figure.

 

 

[IsaanAussie 1,684]

Just now, fourpack said:

As a matter of interest ball park figure if I may costs of sows ready to breed.

Asking only as I have a vested interest (very silent partner) in a pig farm run by wife's family. Just have a sneaky suspicion about one of the managers.(uncle).

Excuse my ignorance on this just trying to get a ball park figure.

Can you be more specific about the pig? Based on what you have said the price could range from 8 to 25 thousand baht maybe even more! 

[thoongfoned 419]

50 minutes ago, fourpack said:

As a matter of interest ball park figure if I may costs of sows ready to breed.

Asking only as I have a vested interest (very silent partner) in a pig farm run by wife's family. Just have a sneaky suspicion about one of the managers.(uncle).

Excuse my ignorance on this just trying to get a ball park figure.

 

 

depending on breed, a gilt 140kg @ 250 day old, on third/fourth heat cycle from the company where the wife works (company in house sales) 18,000 baht each.

 

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Weaning 2 day

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pig porn.....weaning today piglets... 80 + piglets 8 mum 6.74kg average, holding area now outside farm "walled farm" for the last few months now no vehicle access to farm, ie weaning,culling,new gilts and feed delivery all approx 60m from farm (cost alot of bahts, still on going - never stops 555)  cos of the ASF problems/threat.

piglets fron the last 2 months have have been really good, just under 7kg average @ 19 days 400/500 per month wean @ 26.5/27 psy....  good for thailand standards.

 

[IsaanAussie 1,684]

That is not good for Thai standards, its excellent! Well done. Hope the ASF issue goes away soon, it terrifies me. My best wishes and congratulations on doing as much as you can to prevent it's spread.

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12 hours ago, IsaanAussie said:

That is not good for Thai standards, its excellent! Well done. Hope the ASF issue goes away soon, it terrifies me. My best wishes and congratulations on doing as much as you can to prevent it's spread.

the company laid out new plans for all the farrow farms around 5/6 months ago, ie holding pens for weaning culling and gilts outside farm area, this also involves new walk ways ect... plus all the extra work that goes into moving the animals now twice instead of once.... full spray systems at gate at front of land access (pulling more electric cables, water lines, new "hut" for the spray set up)  new shower block for the lorry drivers, they all have to shower in/out, change clothes, shoes ect...the bahts soon add up, construction team happy though, wife not as she sees all the money going out she pocket 5555. we have done over the norm because of the  outside feed store, (double checked and the farms of our size will not be going over to the silo feed system) so thought just build an extra feed store.... now got the great wall of isan being built around the perimeter of the land..555 looks good though. when the wife saves up we are going for a full cctv system after new year, this the wife is happy about coz it will be a new app on she phone

[sateuk 46]

14 hours ago, thoongfoned said:

Weaning 2 day

At what age do you wean the piglets? Looking very good 

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4 hours ago, sateuk said:

At what age do you wean the piglets? Looking very good 

those ones in photo were yesterdays, average 19.3 days old  @ 10.75 piglets wean from each mum. i think there was 1 or 2 piglet @ 5kg most of them were around the 6kg and 27 over the 7kg going up to 8.8kg, the best we have had in the last few month have been 10.4kg range (always wean average around 19.5 days) @  that sort of weight we will not have alot, maybe 3/5 %. we get good feed back from the farms  that our piglets go to. our target is try not have piglet smaller than 5.5kg @ weaning. 

at that sort kg average/ age the growth to 100/120 kg is quick. good fcr for the next farmer...

[sateuk 46]

2 hours ago, thoongfoned said:

those ones in photo were yesterdays, average 19.3 days old  @ 10.75 piglets wean from each mum. i think there was 1 or 2 piglet @ 5kg most of them were around the 6kg and 27 over the 7kg going up to 8.8kg, the best we have had in the last few month have been 10.4kg range (always wean average around 19.5 days) @  that sort of weight we will not have alot, maybe 3/5 %. we get good feed back from the farms  that our piglets go to. our target is try not have piglet smaller than 5.5kg @ weaning. 

at that sort kg average/ age the growth to 100/120 kg is quick. good fcr for the next farmer...

Good looking piglets we get to 105kg + average after 240 kgs 8 bags of feed, out of interest what does it take your pigs we use spm feed by the way thanks

[IsaanAussie 1,684]

Just now, sateuk said:

Good looking piglets we get to 105kg + average after 240 kgs 8 bags of feed, out of interest what does it take your pigs we use spm feed by the way thanks

Pardon the intrusion but this is interesting stuff. I usually had an FCR of 2.4 as well so I am keen to know if it has been improved using commercial grades. 

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2 hours ago, sateuk said:

Good looking piglets we get to 105kg + average after 240 kgs 8 bags of feed, out of interest what does it take your pigs we use spm feed by the way thanks

for sure i can not  say as i  have never "finished" one piglet....

i have been asking the company that qestion/information for years. ie how do the wifes piglets grow out....

when we "sell" a piglet out it goes with many other piglets from diffrent farms, some will be 3.5kg some 10kg some pooing ect..... from what i can understand a basic or average farm will finish 1 piglet to 7 bags of feed.... or course if you have say 700 piglet to start, all with different weight ect, but same age/gene pool it can get messyyy. ie what % die? im told 3% is good 5% ok  ect..... or how many day do you feed and at what age is the piglet weaned from the milk/mum at what kg...... plus will the finisher pig be 80kg or 120kg its endless....

so company say average piglet weight at wean 5.5kg 19 day old. then add 7 bags of feed, loss 3/5% through death/not perfect and you should average 105/110kg in 120/130 days... depending 1.70/fcr basic ishhh

at above "spec" the wife knows a fella that contols 2100/2800 finishers at a time and say under 3% death and 6 bags to average 100 ishhhh kg, i have said this before on hear and people say can not do, i agree its sounds too good. now same fella has changed company and pays unfront for piglet (28 day old average 10/12kg average) and all feed and medication/vaccine cost, he has done 2 full cycle @ 2100/2800 finishers and still says 6 bags a piglets, but now the average is 120/140kg  finisher weight from 10/12kg start @ 28 days old, that @ 120/130 days in his farm... he averages profit from 1 piglet sold back to company @ no less then 1100 baht..... he says electric one month @ 2,000 baht only, he has bio gas pits on each farm, all labor him/wife/family ect.... so thats about 1.63fcr??? possible i can not say for sure... an english guy that i know runs a finisher farm for same company as the wife, he has been "at it for afew years" says 1.60/1.70 fcr can be done most cycles 700 piglets if no major problems, this is all fully closed farm with evap and full fan extraction.....

if you get good piglets young and ready to eat, environment good mayby posible? cannot say for sure as have never done it5555 just what i hear or the wife tells me.

mid summer here when the ouside temp is 40 plus you will need evap to control temp or else the pigs will stuggle to eat/grow, just what i think..... 

[jompa67 48]

Larger farms use to use E-Wap as a kind of air-conditioning in the barns. That's why som farm use to report a better FCR than others.