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Jonathan Fairfield

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Following on from sowing his rice crop ,to harvesting ,not the best of crops , a fair bit of grass weed  yield not that good , but you could say it is almost organic ,no sprays have been used and on this piece so the wife said, no fertilizer has been applied ,it has been a dry year and he had to pump water in ,his way is one of those water augers taking water from the local river and it just flows in to his rice field 300 meters ,it was cut by hand over the past 2 days .

So I have been told it is Hom Marlie, his thrashing method is, put the crop on to some shade cloth and run over it with the tractor it works.

He uses to get the mobile trashier in, then one year got a combine in, he was so horrified at the losses with the combine he now uses his tractor.

I would say with his low inputs he would make as much money as someone growing rice the conventionally way, ie lot of sprays and fertilizer etc  

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What happened to the old thread?  Everybody here remains busy with the harvesting of the sorghum, the second corn crop and the beginning of the sugar cane harvest.  I can't even find someone to help me out with simple chores around the house.  Much of the cane is being mechanically harvested this year, but all of the harvesters are trucked in and they also bring rakes and balers for the silage.I looked at importing a JD3510 from the US, they're expensive and hard to find and nobody locally, including me,  is interested, no money,

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Hi wayned

Must agree about the old thread, I wanted a quote from the old thread and the system would not let me, I had to rewrite what I wanted to say,  then re-download a photo, .....progress.

Anyway, I had a look at the JD3510 sugar cane harvester in the USA they where quoting $138000- 228000, that in Thia baht 4,1-6.8 million baht, not including shipping and import tax, as you say expensive.

Around here most machines are IH International Harvesters, so I have been told imported from Australia or Brazil, most are about 3.5-4 million baht.

They is a company in Kanchanaburi that import old secondhand ones and re-con them, Farmerjo did put in a link on this thread a while ago.

Price is now looking like 6-700 baht /ton, and around here sugar content this year is low with the government subbing 70 baht/ton and the sugar mill is doing the same 70 baht/ ton .

I have said this before we do not have any weigh stations around here it is all cut and cart straight to the mill, for a smaller grower, contractors charge about 350-380 baht /ton to machine cut and hauled to mill, that is 50% of costs, take away the rest of the growing  costs does not leave much of a  margin .

I would like to know how weigh stations make they money, thoongfoned said one weigh station is paying 680 baht ton, with there cost of having to load a haule cane to the mill cannot leave a lot of profit, I would say they would get the government subsidy? or what. 

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kickstart, my understanding of the local weigh stations around us. mainly run by families that have contacts and of course a few bahts....  they all farm cane on a large scale, 100/1000 rai ect then over the past 4/5 years? these weigh station have popped up all over the place being run by said families. they seem to get a qouta by the mill or  by one of the companies (in udon thani) that control the cane/mill?  they have to get X ton amount delivered to the mill by X date to get the price there have been promised, if they can not get enough there price per ton falls.... with the growers they have to show land titles of land and also the company come and and check the land against the paper title plus the cane in the ground, then they get the price of the cane per ton and also in some cases early payment of x percent to help with running costs, then most of the money comes when all the cane has been harvested/delivered. new company this year gps all the wifes land... i think it is similar with the guys that run these weigh stations but the land titles are not needed its money in the bank time... again i have heard that finacnce is in place for the larger weigh stations, a little like the rice/rubber buyers in large market towns, either self funding or with private backers ect... around us i have only seen 1 or 2 weigh stations up and running at the mo, the busy one (will try and get some photos) unloads and loads with 20 ton macros on mud banks, very busy last time i drove past, maybe 20 plus lrage tractors and trailers waiting to be tipped plus all the other small vehicles, its about 40/50 km to the mill from the station, lorry an drag units everywhere. 680 a ton paid in cash....

in the brother in laws village he always sells to the same station, they pay him after they get paid (so he maybe waits a month after he has cut, for his money) they always pay extra, so this year the local price is 680 he will end up with 700/720.... at this place they always close early due to filling there quota after 1 or 2 months..

its all like contract farming with livestock or even the petrol garage franchising, again just my take on it all.

the wife had some big wigs out for a farm inspection this past week and they are trying to get the wife to build another farm close by, i ask how many head sows and what basic cost, just a cheeky 6 mill baht  plus, oh yeah we will start on that build tommorrow.....

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Thanks for that ,interesting read ,now I know how they work ,interesting that grower have to show land titles ,around here most large growers rent land ,one of the biggest growers ,use to rent 40 ,20-25 rie blocks ,some other biger growers will be renting land on a similar scale one time 8-9 years ago big growers were renting a 25 rie block 1000 baht /rie paid up front for 3 years, a lot of small farmers thought this was a good deal 75k for doing nothing, but what state was the land in by the time sugar cane farmers have done with it and handed it back to the owners .

You said about your pig company wanting your wife to build another farm, again around here it is the broiler farms that are being built, drove up a road last week not been they for a while, and spotted a new broiler farm 8 big sheds that must have been a few million baht, land alone 2 mill plus , drove past another piece of land must have been 2-300 concrete posts in the ground ,asked a nearby farmer ,she said another broiler farm, both, independent farmers, will be on contract to the big boys ,they must think the poultry industry has a future.

We have 2-3 big pig farms around here owned by CP , been going for a few years. 

 

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On 12/15/2018 at 9:00 PM, kickstart said:

Hi wayned

Must agree about the old thread, I wanted a quote from the old thread and the system would not let me, I had to rewrite what I wanted to say,  then re-download a photo, .....progress.

Anyway, I had a look at the JD3510 sugar cane harvester in the USA they where quoting $138000- 228000, that in Thia baht 4,1-6.8 million baht, not including shipping and import tax, as you say expensive.

Around here most machines are IH International Harvesters, so I have been told imported from Australia or Brazil, most are about 3.5-4 million baht.

They is a company in Kanchanaburi that import old secondhand ones and re-con them, Farmerjo did put in a link on this thread a while ago.

Price is now looking like 6-700 baht /ton, and around here sugar content this year is low with the government subbing 70 baht/ton and the sugar mill is doing the same 70 baht/ ton .

I have said this before we do not have any weigh stations around here it is all cut and cart straight to the mill, for a smaller grower, contractors charge about 350-380 baht /ton to machine cut and hauled to mill, that is 50% of costs, take away the rest of the growing  costs does not leave much of a  margin .

I would like to know how weigh stations make they money, thoongfoned said one weigh station is paying 680 baht ton, with there cost of having to load a haule cane to the mill cannot leave a lot of profit, I would say they would get the government subsidy? or what. 

We have the only weigh station in the area, all of the roadside drive through ones closed years ago,  We do not buy cane and most is hauled directly to the mill.  We are currently harvesting sorghum and the last of the second corn crop but will weigh anything.

 

I did talk to the people that I use to disassemble and pack combines in containers and they told me that they had quoted in the past but had never disassembled one.  It will fit in one 40' container and the cost of disassembly and packing is $4000.  The shipping would be around $4000 to Bangkok not including the trucking to the disassembly facility  or paying them to disassemble at the purchase place.  The duty is 5%, and VAT at 7% plus port charges and internal shipping here.  Then the fun would begin, putting together the multi-piece erector set with no instructions and no one ever having seen one before.  Not in the cards for me!

 

One new hiccups with the new thread is that you don't get notifications when new posts are made! As you said, PROGRESS!!!  Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

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10 hours ago, kickstart said:

Thanks for that ,interesting read ,now I know how they work ,interesting that grower have to show land titles ,around here most large growers rent land ,one of the biggest growers ,use to rent 40 ,20-25 rie blocks ,some other biger growers will be renting land on a similar scale one time 8-9 years ago big growers were renting a 25 rie block 1000 baht /rie paid up front for 3 years, a lot of small farmers thought this was a good deal 75k for doing nothing, but what state was the land in by the time sugar cane farmers have done with it and handed it back to the owners .

You said about your pig company wanting your wife to build another farm, again around here it is the broiler farms that are being built, drove up a road last week not been they for a while, and spotted a new broiler farm 8 big sheds that must have been a few million baht, land alone 2 mill plus , drove past another piece of land must have been 2-300 concrete posts in the ground ,asked a nearby farmer ,she said another broiler farm, both, independent farmers, will be on contract to the big boys ,they must think the poultry industry has a future.

We have 2-3 big pig farms around here owned by CP , been going for a few years. 

 

renting the land, around here people pay one year at a time, some at the beginning say october/nov some at the end jan/feb, one of the largest families pay in april time... most will pay 1000 baht per rai, around here the land is not good, full of large rocks and or loads of clay... when the farmer rents the land he will ask for copies of land title and also the id card of the owner, all this then gets checked by the company he will be selling to.. having looked at cane for many years around the area i would say if you could average 6/7 ton per rai you have a very high end crop, for here...

pigs is big business here, over 2000 sows in say 6/7 villages plus all the finisher farms, 200 head sow farm  will suply 4800/5500 piglets per year, finish farm 700 head so alot of finishing farms here too. also in the past few year people have starting to  contract fish farm, all for the same company. i know of 3 new finishers farms being built at the mo in/around the village. 700 head basic build would be from 2.5 ish million depending on spec. 200 head sow farm build from 4 million again depending on spec. plus maybe dragging electric,buiding a home more back fill ect... last time i was ask what to budjet for a  200 head sow farm by a local guy i said 6 million all in to pay day. farm will be up and running for 6 months before the first pay cheque hits the bank. he ended up building a finisher farm.555

on one of my travels the other week i came across a very large cpf chicken farm setup, 3/4 high apartment blocks for the workers and from what i could see more than 10 barns...  a guy that buys most of the pig poo from us also buys from this set up. in this area there is only 1 cpf finisher farm and a growing number of thai foods finishers farms coming on line.

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What is it ?,back in November this field of maize was harvested ,since then we have had 46 mm of rain ,you can see that the combine was not set up right ,and more than likely he was going to fast, and a lot of the grain went straight out the back of the combine ,you can see the rows, and all the self-set grains have grown.

A good few kgs of corn and a good few baht, the combines where a couple of old Class ones,  owned by a local buyer of maize who has a couple of combines.

You could say it would make a much needed green manure when ploughed in. 

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Had a storm come through about 4 days ago flattening what sugar crops that are left.

Many lost roofs off their houses.

The country side looks as barren as i've seen it in a long time with a heavy haze in the air.

Let's hope we get a few early rains to clear the air and get the season off to a good start.

Most of the sugar in the district will go around again leaving what land that is left to mainly rice.

 

 

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Back after 5 years in OZ. Could not agree more with FJ opinion on conditions. I have never seen the land looking as desolate, nor the ponds and lakes as low. Hoping that this year's rains are both early and consistent. 

Does anyone have a decent weather forecast? 

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A quick question for the corn/maize farmers.  Is there a consensus on the best seed supplier in Thailand?  

I only have 2 rai I like to spend time at and the familk I live with keep telling me to grow more sweet corn and they have eager buyers.

 

However, the 10.baht bags at the local shops have burned me twice now with seeds showing about 10% germination.  Nothing as disheartening  for me than spending the time and strain on my back for a day or two just to start over.

 

I'd be a buyer up to 5 kilos of seed if there is a reliable  source I can go to.

 

Thanks for any help.

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1 hour ago, marke985 said:

A quick question for the corn/maize farmers.  Is there a consensus on the best seed supplier in Thailand?  

I only have 2 rai I like to spend time at and the familk I live with keep telling me to grow more sweet corn and they have eager buyers.

 

However, the 10.baht bags at the local shops have burned me twice now with seeds showing about 10% germination.  Nothing as disheartening  for me than spending the time and strain on my back for a day or two just to start over.

 

I'd be a buyer up to 5 kilos of seed if there is a reliable  source I can go to.

 

Thanks for any help.

It did not grow, was it getting near the sell-by date, local shops are not always bothered about sell-by dates.

What type of seed bed was it sown in, a rough lumpy one will give you low germination, the seed will germinate, then it will die in a rough seedbed, soil drys out, was it drilled at the right depth,by hand or by machine, plenty of water?

 

 

 

Pacific seed, CP produce they own seed corn , plus other companies you need to find a large shop selling seeds fertilizers sprays etc, we have 2 in our area, they would sell all the seeds from companies in Thailand. They would have the stock turnover and should be able to give you some advice.                             We grew some sweet corn  Supper Sweet verity about 90 baht /kg never any problem with germination .you can get sweet corn seed costing 700 baht plus a kg, grows well and has big cobs. 

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