AlQaholic Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Very interesting result of the survey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy 4680 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Some people will certainly not like me knocking the EU, but Iv'e allways thought the present leaders as crooks, When the dust has settled, I imagine the UK government will be looking to file charges against the EU, for poaching British company's and relocating them to Europe using EU subsudies, anyone to tell me thats Legal ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruit Trader Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Back in 2011 . . . Europe needs a revolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marqus12 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 judging from the constantly recurring history of the Germans building the empire and then set everything on fire EU not gone last. The fire was planted with the introduction of the euro and the Treaty of Lisbon ... two things that only Germany benefited from...before that they had 25% unemployment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: When Europe is a collection of disunited nation states, world wars begin; that is the lesson of the twentieth century. I am indifferent to the EU, just don't suck the world into violence again. Kick violence out through the door and it will come back in through the window. Instead of having a war between European countries, you will have civil wars within these countries...soon enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Kwasaki said: Germany is the only country that has benefited from the club IMO. Kick Germany out through the door (WWII) and it will come back in through the window (EU and euro). Germany has finally conquered Europe, without shedding blood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedhump Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: I think in most cases of Siamese twins being separated, only one survives, the stronger one. Either way, I think you understand I am using this figuratively, the point being that Europe is a fact. Some people talk about England, Germany and France while we are already one. The borders some try to claim are formalities; leftovers from the past. A Siamese twin analogy is totally false. The EU will not just crumble away as soon as the UK leaves. It may fray a lot for a long while, and possibly shrink to core countries again. Similarly the 5th biggest economy in the world will not collapse. There have been two years of verbal diahrohhearal threats and warnings from the Remain camp. But there is no concrete evidence whatsoever 6 that the number of leavers has diminished. Treason May, her cabinet, MPs of all stripes, the Bank of England, and almost all of big business are betraying the wishes of the people of the UK, for their own selfish reasons. No second vote, no acceptance of May's capitulation to Brussels. Out now, no deal if necessary. Brussels will change its tune if faced down, they always are ready to renegotiate if they can't bully their opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 47 minutes ago, Jip99 said: Whoever replaces Theresa May should read your post and be guided by it. I have sent this link before re Nigel Farage and the EU. Good entertainment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, wombat said: without UK money the EU is dead in the water.....socialism of countries is doomed the same way socialism of a country is doomed....Venezuala is a microcosm of EU. Yes, and didn't that happen quickly? It looked like it would be there forever, continually being improved and strengthened, at huge cost to the economy it "protected", and then pouff, within months it was gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: I think in most cases of Siamese twins being separated, only one survives, the stronger one. Either way, I think you understand I am using this figuratively, the point being that Europe is a fact. Some people talk about England, Germany and France while we are already one. The borders some try to claim are formalities; leftovers from the past. Europe is a fact, especially in their wallets, for the bureaucrats and their politburo in Brussels. As for the border from the Western members (not so much from the Eastern ones), they are indeed a thing from the past...for illegal immigrants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Moo 2 said: The EU is still very young compared to the US of A, (United States of America)but there still a lot of disagreements there between the States, not much different to the EU, except they all speak the same language. The UK is leaving (thanks to the oldies who could not care less about the younger generations) with great difficulty, 51 to 49 per cent, that's not a real treat to the EU. There are Countries knocking on the EU's door, and let's not forget Scotland which wants to stay also. AS for the Euro, after only 18 years of existence, is the second strongest money in the World behind the US dollar. To me that says it all. The EU is a very young organization with very old members... Hapless countries, such as Turkey, are knocking at its door, while happy countries, such as Switzerland, gladly remain outside... The dollar and euro are not strong at all...just look how they fare against the baht! They are the most used currencies, for historical reasons, which is not the same as being strong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 28 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said: Some people will certainly not like me knocking the EU, but Iv'e allways thought the present leaders as crooks, When the dust has settled, I imagine the UK government will be looking to file charges against the EU, for poaching British company's and relocating them to Europe using EU subsudies, anyone to tell me thats Legal ??? You're joking right? The brit. MPs supports the eu - for their own, personal reasons..... They're hardly about to start making charges against the eu and big business ????! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 59 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: They are not unelected. Again, it’s a lie. Did you have a chance to vote for Juncker and his EU commission merrymen? I certainly didn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brunolem said: Did you have a chance to vote for Juncker and his EU commission merrymen? I certainly didn't... Precisely. The electorate have had no chance at all to vote for him in any current govt. position..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 41 minutes ago, Brunolem said: Kick Germany out through the door (WWII) and it will come back in through the window (EU and euro). Germany has finally conquered Europe, without shedding blood... They have been very clever more so than any other member and if the EU collapses they will come off best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Brunolem said: Did you have a chance to vote for Juncker and his EU commission merrymen? I certainly didn't... You claimed he is unelected. As I said, that’s not true: On 27 June 2014, the European Council officially nominated Juncker for the position, and on 15 July 2014, the European Parliament elected him with a majority of 422 votes from a total of 729 cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said: 45 users of a Thailand forum show something about the UK? Interesting. And aren’t you getting tired about always the same lies about the EU? Did you already forget where that “unelected” nonsense has brought you? Grumpy 4680 I see no lies, they are un-elected by the millions of people they represent, the cronie MEP's put them there, they are totally un-accountable for there actions, and without proper audits, (could be worse than the Fifa scandal.) I'm sure the EU is quaking in it's boots to see that a bunch of irrelevant retired Farangs are unimpressed by them. Reading some of these complete fantasy posts, I wouldn't be surprised if the UK was happy to see some of them go. The EU is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats... oh really, who taught them that one, no need to guess, just read the figures below. No need to nitpick about the EU president not being a head of state BTW, I'm easily bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterphuket Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: If there is one thing that Brexit has proved (thank you, Brexiteers) then it’s that Europe is a fact. Questions like this sound a bit like a Siamese twin debating whether it should leave and stand on his own feet. You can do that, maybe, but then you’ll only have one foot to stay on, and you’ll walk without a heart. What do you mean?? Europe or EU?? That's a huge different, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterphuket Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 O yeh, I forget to mention, I love Europe in contrast to EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Brigand said: Should be just a free trading block which concentrates on making it's members wealthy and in doing so would see many of the current problems people are experiencing disappear. The EU will be it's own downfall through too much meddling and forcing things on people that are not wanted/needed. The center ground is where most normal people have their political views and can be a little center-left on something and center-right on others, but what is being imposed on everyone is the left and far-left which is why you are seeing so much discourse and the emergence of the right. It's obviously good to have free societies, universal health care/welfare and the like but it all needs to be paid for which brings us back to countries getting wealthy again...the United State of Europe was never going to work in such a short space of time as envisaged by this lot in Brussels. Basically, people don't want it and resistance to it all is starting to show in multiple ways. I am not clued up much on the politics of Brexit, but from what I have read, it was the "leave" vote that caused the GBP to lose value against the Thai Baht, and why you get so much less now for your'e GBP now. What should myself and other Thai expats who are not so rich, hope for in the talks which are going on just now involving the UK and Brexit? Will staying within the EU make the GBP stronger? Or is there some other deal which could be to our advantage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy 4680 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 422 votes out of the billions he represents is a piss poor excuse for being Elected, John Major, the British PM at the time certainly did not want the drunkard, backstabbing, scheming, ex Luxenberg politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: You claimed he is unelected. As I said, that’s not true: On 27 June 2014, the European Council officially nominated Juncker for the position, and on 15 July 2014, the European Parliament elected him with a majority of 422 votes from a total of 729 cast. In some of the strongest remarks by a British prime minister at an EU summit, Cameron condemned a "backroom deal" to appoint Juncker, who was being "railroaded" through against the wishes of Britain and Hungary. Cameron objected to Juncker's appointment on two grounds: that he will not be able to lead EU reform, and that the spitzenkandidaten system has no legitimacy. The system was devised by European parliament leaders who are using the powers in the Lisbon treaty that say EU leaders need to take account of last month's European parliamentary elections in nominating a candidate. Juncker is the candidate of the centre-right European People's party, the largest group in the parliament. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/david-cameron-loses-jean-claude-juncker-vote-eu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, vogie said: ICameron condemned (...) Cameron objected (...) We were discussing whether Juncker was unelected or not, not Cameron‘s opinion about Juncker. Juncker was elected, that’s a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy P Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 hours ago, korkenzieher said: The EU may survive for a long time - but the writing is on the wall, IMO. The Soviet Union survived well past its sell-by date,, and I suspect the EU will too. It depends a lot on whether it learns the lessons of the current situations with the UK, Italy and Hungary. Lack of accountability, even as a principle, ensures that sooner or later it will collapse. And their expecting us taxpayer's 3 hours ago, korkenzieher said: The EU may survive for a long time - but the writing is on the wall, IMO. The Soviet Union survived well past its sell-by date,, and I suspect the EU will too. It depends a lot on whether it learns the lessons of the current situations with the UK, Italy and Hungary. Lack of accountability, even as a principle, ensures that sooner or later it will collapse. And their expecting us taxpayer's to pay them £39Bl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy 4680 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Possum, The reduction of the pounds value is the price we're having to pay for the damn politicians getting us into this mess in the first place. And no, the pound will not immediatly return if ever, to its previous level, if its not to the money mens advantage, financial institutions rule the roost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Percy P said: And their expecting us taxpayer's And their expecting us taxpayer's to pay them £39Bl It’s not an expectation. It’s your obligation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, possum1931 said: I am not clued up much on the politics of Brexit, but from what I have read, it was the "leave" vote that caused the GBP to lose value against the Thai Baht, and why you get so much less now for your'e GBP now. What should myself and other Thai expats who are not so rich, hope for in the talks which are going on just now involving the UK and Brexit? Will staying within the EU make the GBP stronger? Or is there some other deal which could be to our advantage? Unfortunately, only a manipulated remain result will see a temporary rise in GBP/THB. - but I'm pretty sure it will only be a relatively small rise, and short-lived as leavers start the same fight championed by remainers over the last 2 years.... And that's without getting into a likely change of PM and GE..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, welovesundaysatspace said: We were discussing whether Juncker was unelected or not, not Cameron‘s opinion about Juncker. Juncker was elected, that’s a fact. Not by any member of the populace.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, Percy P said: And their expecting us taxpayer's And their expecting us taxpayer's to pay them £39Bl Not quite. Our govt. has agreed that uk taxpayers will pay them 39 bn. for the privilege of a leave in name only 'deal'.....???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: We were discussing whether Juncker was unelected or not, not Cameron‘s opinion about Juncker. Juncker was elected, that’s a fact. You obviously havn't read the article, it seems you are oblivious to opinions other than your own, similar to the EU I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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