webfact Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Huawei CFO seeks bail, cites health fears behind bars - court documents Meng Wanzhou, Huawei Technologies Co Ltd's chief financial officer (CFO), is seen in this undated handout photo obtained by Reuters December 6, 2018. Huawei/Handout via REUTERS TORONTO (Reuters) - A top executive of China's Huawei Technologies Co Ltd [HWT.UL] argued that she should be let out on bail while awaiting an extradition hearing due to severe hypertension and fears for her health while incarcerated in Canada, court documents released on Sunday showed. Huawei Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou is fighting to be released on bail after she was arrested on Dec. 1 in Canada at the request of the United States. Meng, 46, faces U.S. accusations that she covered up her company's links to a firm that tried to sell equipment to Iran despite sanctions, a Canadian prosecutor said on Friday, arguing against giving her bail while she awaits extradition to the United States. In a sworn affidavit, Meng said she is innocent of the allegations and will contest them at trial in the United States if she is surrendered there. Meng also said she was taken to a hospital for treatment for hypertension after being detained. China has strongly criticized her detention and demanded her immediate release. The arrest has roiled global markets amid worries it could torpedo possible thawing of trade tensions between the United States and China. In a bail application seeking her release pending an extradition hearing, Meng said she has longstanding ties to Vancouver dating back at least 15 years, as well as significant property holdings in the city. Her family also sought leave to remain in Vancouver if she was granted bail, according to the court documents, with her husband saying he plans to bring the couple's daughter to Vancouver to attend school during the trial. (Reporting by Denny Thomas; Editing by Lisa Shumaker and David Gregorio) -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-12-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB1958 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 China of course can detain anyone with impunity. Many Americans are caught in this. When it is reversed - ie the USA detains a Chinese person, they will order America to release that person ASAP. The case against SOME of the 90 AMERICANS already detained if FAR MORE FLIMSY that that of the huawei CEO. That of course will be irrelevant to the Chinese. {SNIP} About 90 Americans are being held in Chinese jails, the department says. One of the most prominent, Sandy Phan-Gillis, also from Houston, has been charged with violating Chinese national security laws in an indictment that has not yet been made public, according to two sources who asked that their names not be published because of the case’s sensitivity. Phan-Gillis, a naturalized American from Vietnam who had become a prominent figure in U.S.-China business circles, was leading a Houston business delegation to China in March 2015 when she was detained by security agents. China has not yet made public any evidence of her guilt. SOURCE: USA Citizens in Chinese prisons The source is older than I would like, however, it is the general thrust, rather than irrefutable fact, that I try to convey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lungstib Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Strange how the wealthy elite of all countries develop such sudden health issues when faced with the jail conditions they accept as suitable for common thieves. It must be a type of withdrawal symptom when deprived of 5 star service and multiple choice menus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB1958 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 A more up to date news site Americans Detained by China The bigger picture could be stories like this - Canadian News Site Trump praises Rodrigo Duterte of the Philipines. Of course China supports all Junta's, theocracies, fascist nations and any nation with poor human rights. Sadly the current POTUS too, supports many of these. Not the case with past Presidents. It sends the wrong message IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Easy for a poor man to be rich but very hard for a rich man to be poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya46 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BB1958 said: China of course can detain anyone with impunity. // Not really different for USA, except that USA keep them in prisons outside its borders. What about Guantanamo Bay detention camp by example ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said: Not really different for USA, except that USA keep them in prisons outside its borders. What about Guantanamo Bay detention camp by example ? Me think you're confusing criminal prisoners to hard core Islamic terrorist there good buddy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan B Tong Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Don't they have medications for hypertension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB1958 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT, Canada or the USA will be ordered to release this person. It WILL be done and there will be few IF ANY concessions by China. It would be easier to get the sun to shine at Midnight, in the Big Apple, than there to be ANY OTHER OUTCOME. Every single person reading this thread KNOWS with certainty, that money wins every single time - Rip MR. Jamal Khashoggi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topdoc Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 You guys are missing the point. The heart of the problem is that Huawei Technologies uses a system of encryption that prevents the NSA from intercepting its communications. A number of governments and secret services in the non-Western world have therefore begun to equip themselves exclusively with Huawei technology to protect the confidentiality of their communications, much to the annoyance of the NSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB1958 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, Topdoc said: You guys are missing the point. The heart of the problem is that Huawei Technologies uses a system of encryption that prevents the NSA from intercepting its communications. A number of governments and secret services in the non-Western world have therefore begun to equip themselves exclusively with Huawei technology to protect the confidentiality of their communications, much to the annoyance of the NSA. Please provide a source - My search was unable to find a definitive example to support your statement. That of course does not mean you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, Topdoc said: You guys are missing the point. The heart of the problem is that Huawei Technologies uses a system of encryption that prevents the NSA from intercepting its communications. A number of governments and secret services in the non-Western world have therefore begun to equip themselves exclusively with Huawei technology to protect the confidentiality of their communications, much to the annoyance of the NSA. Is it for the same reason that lately several governments have removed all Huawei equipment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jerry787 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 usual US arrogance and impunity. China shall detain any US and Canadian official or business people who contributed to pollute the world ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Would expect her blood pressure to go up now that she is caught and likely to serve the rest of her life in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300sd Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The Us wants to introduce a measure in Congress that would ban Chinese telecom companies from doing business there. Do that and release the CFO. Canada does not eat off the same plate as China and the U.S. But with this situation Canada lowers herself to the same level! It's a bad situation all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Juan B Tong said: Don't they have medications for hypertension? Yes - amlodipine and losartan - I take them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Topdoc said: You guys are missing the point. The heart of the problem is that Huawei Technologies uses a system of encryption that prevents the NSA from intercepting its communications. A number of governments and secret services in the non-Western world have therefore begun to equip themselves exclusively with Huawei technology to protect the confidentiality of their communications, much to the annoyance of the NSA. You may be also missing the point. Huawei, which was founded by a former engineer in China’s People’s Liberation Army and has been described by US politicians as “effectively an arm of the Chinese government.” https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/14/17011246/huawei-phones-safe-us-intelligence-chief-fears There is the potential that Huawei's system of encryption can be compromised by order of the Communist government and there is no system of accountability or transparency to challenge such state intrusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Srikcir said: Huawei, which was founded by a former engineer in China’s People’s Liberation Army and has been described by US politicians as “effectively an arm of the Chinese government.” Every major Chinese company has heavy China government involvement, as they are mostly sponsored by them. Remember the recent revelation of Jack Ma's communist membership? I have said it many times before and will say it again, Trump is right with his views on China trade, and it's about time the rest of the world to wake up to the threats that are going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, janclaes47 said: Every major Chinese company has heavy China government involvement, as they are mostly sponsored by them. Remember the recent revelation of Jack Ma's communist membership? I have said it many times before and will say it again, Trump is right with his views on China trade, and it's about time the rest of the world to wake up to the threats that are going on. There is a difference between being a member of the party because now you are allowed and it makes things easier when dealing with government officials and old 'card carrying' members for those that drank the coolaid. There is also a difference between companies (totally private) and companies that are in fact for the most part state owned enterprises (partially or fully). In the end though the choice to buy and install the equipment is not one for the courts to decide, this is about US law and trade with Iran. As far as I am concerned as a Canadian, the government should meet China half-way on this (she is not under arrest for a crime in Canada and has not been found guilty of any crime -- just a request for extradition from the US government). Canada is obliged to detain her for extradition hearings with respect to obligations of a treaty, but how we detain her is not an issue. If she were no flight risk she would be released pending a hearing. The half-way mark is to release her into house arrest at a local hotel pending hearings. Huawei I am sure has enough cash to cover the expenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said: There is a difference between being a member of the party because now you are allowed and it makes things easier when dealing with government officials and old 'card carrying' members for those that drank the coolaid. That's what Fritz Thyssen thought too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT, Canada or the USA will be ordered to release this person. It WILL be done and there will be few IF ANY concessions by China. It would be easier to get the sun to shine at Midnight, in the Big Apple, than there to be ANY OTHER OUTCOME. Every single person reading this thread KNOWS with certainty, that money wins every single time - Rip MR. Jamal Khashoggi You need a few more capital letters in there to be completely annoying.Sent from my SM-N950U1 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 49 minutes ago, Jerry787 said: usual US arrogance and impunity. China shall detain any US and Canadian official or business people who contributed to pollute the world ! "usual US arrogance and impunity"??? Please explain. Having largely ignored and and avoided the more conspiratorial oriented regions of the internet, I am unable to converse in nutspeak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topdoc Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BB1958 said: Please provide a source - My search was unable to find a definitive example to support your statement. That of course does not mean you are wrong. Edward Snowden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB1958 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Topdoc said: 1 hour ago, BB1958 said: Please provide a source - My search was unable to find a definitive example to support your statement. That of course does not mean you are wrong. Edward Snowden The link is not working? Oh!! there is no link.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Topdoc said: You guys are missing the point. The heart of the problem is that Huawei Technologies uses a system of encryption that prevents the NSA from intercepting its communications. A number of governments and secret services in the non-Western world have therefore begun to equip themselves exclusively with Huawei technology to protect the confidentiality of their communications, much to the annoyance of the NSA. The other point that people miss is that corporations engage in all sorts of malfeasance ranging from fraud to money-laundering, and when caught the corporation is fined but no executives are jailed. But now suddenly there are criminal charges leveled at a non-Western executive whose country is the target of a US trade war. Coincidence? I don't think so. I wouldn't want to be a CFO or upper level executive from a Canadian or US corporation working in China right now. Suddenly these elites become nothing more than pawns on a global chess board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, connda said: I wouldn't want to be a CFO or upper level executive from a Canadian or US corporation working in China right now. Suddenly these elites become nothing more than pawns on a global chess board. And this is a bad thing because . . . ? I urge the US immediately send Zuckerberg, Google Guy, Bezos, Cook, Iger, and Warrent Buffet on a fact finding mission to China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, BB1958 said: The link is not working? Oh!! there is no link.. Google "Edward Snowden" - you will find many links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malibukid Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Lungstib said: Strange how the wealthy elite of all countries develop such sudden health issues when faced with the jail conditions they accept as suitable for common thieves. It must be a type of withdrawal symptom when deprived of 5 star service and multiple choice menus. maybe she needed a reality check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, 300sd said: The Us wants to introduce a measure in Congress that would ban Chinese telecom companies from doing business there. Do that and release the CFO. Bonus points for reducing the trade deficit at the same time ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banana7 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 hours ago, BB1958 said: There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT, Canada or the USA will be ordered to release this person. It WILL be done and there will be few IF ANY concessions by China. It would be easier to get the sun to shine at Midnight, in the Big Apple, than there to be ANY OTHER OUTCOME. Every single person reading this thread KNOWS with certainty, that money wins every single time - Rip MR. Jamal Khashoggi You are dreaming! When US DOJ asks Canada for extradition, they have a very serious case with irrefutable evidence. The only reason Canada won't extradite her is if there is a breach of fundamental justice that "shock the conscience" (as stated by the Supreme Court of Canada), which is not the case. There are no unsuccessful cases, in the last 20 years, filed by DOJ in Canada for extradition. Canada is not China and separates politics and law. Canada has "rule of law" so she will go through due process in the Canadian legal system. She has been held in jail since Dec. 1 and has not been granted bail and may never see freedom again for a long time. She is facing multiple 30 year sentences in USA unless she makes a "deal" with DOJ. One deal the DOJ may accept is that she reveals "secrets" about Huawei technology. There are lots of millionaires in US jails, so money doesn't win every time in Canada, USA and many western countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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