webfact Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Who was the 'Thai bride' dumped in the hills? By Alex Moss BBC News When Richard Hill posed for this picture, he did not realise a body was wrapped around the rocks behind him//RICHARD HILL Moments after Richard Hill posed for this picture, he and his friends discovered a corpse lying in the mountain stream. More than 14 years later, police remain baffled as to the identity of the woman dumped in the Yorkshire Dales. But forensic advances have at last offered a clue, giving weight to a new theory about the final years of her life. Stormy weather battered the five walkers as they set off from the quaint village of Horton in Ribblesdale for Yorkshire's famous Three Peaks. After reaching the summit of the smallest, Pen-y-ghent, they were forced back to flat land by the wind and rain and took a detour along the Pennine Way. Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-46287954 -- © Copyright BBC 2018-12-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Thanks for posting... a 14 year old cold case file, maybe some one on TV can help, she should not be lying in a bleak grave yard far from home without a name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Cold case reviewers said an artist's impression released at the time was not necessarily an accurate reflection of her because it was based on her after death. Despite extensive inquiries, North Yorkshire Police has so far failed to answer the two most important questions: who is this woman and how did she die? Examination of her body put her height at 4ft 11ins (149 cm) and her weight at about 10 stone (63kg). (Highlighted "cut and past" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-46287954) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Not sure if, at the time she was found, this was reported properly in the Thai press? Possibly not but it should be now with every effort made to get it out there to as large an audience as possible in the hope her family will come forward. But just as importantly if she was married to an Brit and was living in England then there should be a paper trail. UK immigration should be able to identify her and her husband who should be brought to book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 You're jumping the gun a bit there but generally I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 36 minutes ago, evadgib said: You're jumping the gun a bit there but generally I agree. That is why I said "should be". I am not naïve enough to believe it will happen like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 nah...they are way to busy for this case they do real policing and arresting, like people speaking bad about each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, wombat said: nah...they are way to busy for this case they do real policing and arresting, like people speaking bad about each other Is not solving this case "Real Policing"... The case is not closed, it has been reviewed, forensic tests that were not available 14 years ago have now been done and they are able to shed some more light on the case. I for one would like to see: She is identified Her family informed The cause of death ascertained And if she was murdered the murderer brought to justice Is that not a reasonable request? EDIT: Sorry read your post wrong... You mean the police should not be looking for the racist thugs who throw banana skins at black football players??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, dunroaming said: But just as importantly if she was married to an Brit and was living in England then there should be a paper trail. UK immigration should be able to identify her and her husband who should be brought to book! In order to identify her husband, assuming she did enter the UK as a spouse, the authorities first have to identify her. These days with all UK visa applicants having to enrol their biometrics, this could be done via her fingerprints. But 14 years ago there was no biometric enrolment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, 7by7 said: In order to identify her husband, assuming she did enter the UK as a spouse, the authorities first have to identify her. These days with all UK visa applicants having to enrol their biometrics, this could be done via her fingerprints. But 14 years ago there was no biometric enrolment. you have a time frame and the part of the country it happened in. Just process the Englishmen who brought their Thai brides to live in the UK. You trace her through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 53 minutes ago, dunroaming said: you have a time frame and the part of the country it happened in. Just process the Englishmen who brought their Thai brides to live in the UK. You trace her through him. Not that easy... Quote According to the Office of National Statistics, in 2004 there were 3,000 people in Cumbria and Lancashire who were born in a south-east Asian country. I assume immigration does not keep a database of addresses of "aliens", they would have to trawl through every application that was given "leave to enter" from about 1980 to 2004, then trace their current whereabouts. Could do better to start with the 2001 census, even then it would be a big trawl with lots of dead ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Tragic story, but the one glimmer of goodness were the actions of the local community, from the full BBC article, the words from the local community leader; "We felt a responsibility for her, like she belonged to us and we wanted to make sure she had a final resting place should her family ever get traced." Sometimes I still have faith in the basic decency of the human race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennine Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 20 hours ago, dunroaming said: Not sure if, at the time she was found, this was reported properly in the Thai press? Possibly not but it should be now with every effort made to get it out there to as large an audience as possible in the hope her family will come forward. But just as importantly if she was married to an Brit and was living in England then there should be a paper trail. UK immigration should be able to identify her and her husband who should be brought to book! I would think that Thai ladies in that area would be few and far between and therefore known to neighbours and friends and missed by them. If a husband or partner says "she's gone home", some proof should be offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Unfortunately there is no link for anyone with information, but anyone within the UK could dial 101 and ask to be connected with "North Yorkshire Police"or ask for the information to be forwarded to North Yorkshire Police. Or email [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 12/10/2018 at 8:30 PM, Basil B said: Not that easy... I assume immigration does not keep a database of addresses of "aliens", they would have to trawl through every application that was given "leave to enter" from about 1980 to 2004, then trace their current whereabouts. Could do better to start with the 2001 census, even then it would be a big trawl with lots of dead ends. Possibly, they had been living in another part of the UK. Her partner , could have arranged a walking trek out of their local area , and done his well planned deed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, elliss said: Possibly, they had been living in another part of the UK. Her partner , could have arranged a walking trek out of their local area , and done his well planned deed.. Possibly, but most probably did live in the NW for a few years preceding her death. Quote The newest and most compelling evidence has come from advances in forensic science. Stable isotope analysis was not available to the original inquiry team, but has determined where the woman spent the last two years of her life. It involves examining the levels of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and nitrogen - found in soils or drinking water - in samples of the hair, teeth or bones, which can provide information about where a person lived. The tests on the woman's bones and teeth confirmed she grew up in south-east Asia, but a cutting of her hair showed isotopes found in only a few places in Britain - including in south Cumbria and the northern tip of Lancashire. Wonder if the isotopes in question are related to Sellafield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 An off topic post and a reply has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 On 12/14/2018 at 2:24 PM, Basil B said: Wonder if the isotopes in question are related to Sellafield? It says isotopes, not radioactive isotopes. An isotope is simply a variant of an element with a different number of neutrons - it doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with radioactivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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