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My point exactly! If you live in Thailand, married to a local you are going to encounter Buddhist Monks at some point in your life. You should be familiar with the customs

If you are no Thai and not a Buddhist, why should you be familiar with it?

and

If you are a Thai and a Buddhist and you have to travel to South Thailand, where over 80 percent are Moslems, should you be familiar with Islam.....?

and

If a Thai Moslem is visiting Bangkok, should he be familiar with Buddhism, because he is a Thai citizen?

For a Buddhist, a Buddhist monk is a very special person, but for a non-Buddhist, a Buddhist monk is nothing else than any other person....nothing special with him, nothing to consider about him....

Or do you want to explain me, that Buddhist monks are something special for the non-Buddhists...???

Johann

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You want to stay ignorant about Buddists/Thailand/Monks it's no sweat to me but look at the poll. >65% of us would like to see one... :o

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Good point, Johann.

But better explained by you, I have to say.

I do not think it's a good idea to open a can of worms,...

QUOTE (sonthaya @ Sun 2004-05-23, 20:27:47)

Yes, let's learn more about Buddishm, the only non violent faith I can think of........

I really like Buddhism but I'm not a Buddhist in the religious sense of the word!

A lot in the Buddhist philosophy is very insightful and I respect its wisdom a lot!

I would argue that Siddhartha Gautama (Sakyamuni Buddha) didn't want his philosophy to to become a religion! :o

These are the Buddha's last words when he lay down to die at Kuchinagara some 2500 years ago!

He said to his followers:

"I remind you that all things are impermanent-I advise you to take refuge in yourselves and the Dharma,the teachings...Do you have any questions?"

Nobody had any questions.Everybody was silent!

So the Buddha continued. . .

"Everything that is born is subject to decay.Since there is no external saviour,

it's up to each of you to work out your own liberation...These are my last words."

Then he passed away.

A lot of Buddhists and others see Buddhism as a religion;but the Buddha probably didn't intend so himself!

In my interpretation,I think the tolerant Therawada Buddhism is the closest a religion can come to Atheism!

I think that non-religion and non-attachment,without any brain-washing with the supernatural in order to be coerced into conforming to the superstitious mambo-jambo of one's community,is the real key to happiness! :D

I think having a discussion about Buddhism is great!

Buddhists are tolerant and don't attempt proselytization into their religion like adherents of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition always try to do!

I'm an Atheist and Evolutionist in addition to being a happy Heretic! :D

Cheers.

Snowleopard.

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You want to stay ignorant about Buddists/Thailand/Monks it's no sweat to me but look at the poll. >65% of us would like to see one... :o

This is ok, I am not against it....more the opposite....

The problem is however, that you did not expect to read also negative views about Buddhism...

You should expect some inconvenient questioning, and you should not expect, that some long sutras will be accepted as a valid reply.

I am still waiting for a reply from a Buddhist about my last posting:

I am asking you, in a short form again:

I think, history can be called somewhat a mirror....

There were cruel wars of aggression by Thai Buddhists in the past.

Everybody who was not a Thai Buddhist, was tortured and killed - in a way of terror and atrocity, unknown by Christians and Moslems...

The ones, who survived, were kept as slaves....

Slavery in Thailand was abolished 1905..... not such a long time ago....

And this should make - using your own words - the others happy?

Comparing the history, I do not think, the Buddhists are the better ones....

Any comment?

Johann

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I get your drift now. Yes, there are some "unsavory" aspects to Buddhism and in Thailand it sometimes takes the form of "Kumon Tong". This is where a Monk took the feteus of twin boys from a mothers womb and basically started a cult. Too large a subject to get into here but the belief still exists to this day.

Anyhow, a specific thread focused on Buddhism in Thailand would be educational for all Farang. :o

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And even if talking (posting on this forum) about it DOES offend some people, there will always be someone else to correct the offensive views that are put, allowing all readers to learn.

Unfortunately, offence leads to MORE offence.

As much as you do not like it and I don't, this is the way it is.

And very often leads to "destructive" postings,...

Bluecat ... stay out of the topic then there's no grief for you whatsoever. Some people would at least like know something of the basics of Buddhism.

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As a [non-Thai] buddhist, I submit to our thaivisa community - this may not be an appropriate place for a forum on Thai Buddhism (too many cranky people), but the *path* to Enlightenment can start here or anywhere, at any age. You *can* have fun (not a sin) along the path! :o

Chok-dee-na

Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity"

---- Albert Einstein

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I am all for it and beleive those against it should not track the postings and get on with posting other material, if we want to air our PERSONAL opinions for that is what they are as long as everyone understands that they are just that then what harm can it do?

I for one would welcome balanced information on the subject and make of it what I will, I have nothing to contribute yeat as I am a relative newcomer to LOS, but my GF is very religious and I have learned off by heart the basic "Homage to the exalted one, perfectlt enlightened by himself" in pali, so please carry on. I want to knoe more

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I wish someone would teach me how to sit with my legs tucked under me for hours on end.

I frequently go to the Wat to worship with my wife, but I try to hide at the back unobtrusively. However, I am invariably hauled to the front of the congregation and there I am, in full view. I can only hold the position for about 15 minutes and then I have to put my feet out in front - facing the monks.

After the ceremony I always apologise and everyone laughs at me in good spirit! :o

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I get your drift now.  Yes, there are some "unsavory" aspects to Buddhism .............

Yes, ok, this reply from you makes some sense to me.

My observation, simply said, is, that religion does not really make the humans better, and Buddhism is not an exception....

There is no indication in all history, that Buddhism made any positive influence to their believers in respecting what we call *life*....the life of others, who are beneath you, the life of others, who are depending on you....

In history we know about severe aggression and extreme cruelty of Buddhists, especially how they were treating people, who were their slaves, their victims or prisoners of war....

This is not only reported about the Thais, but similar also about the Japanese, who are Buddhist orientated.

Nowadays we see the strong influence of money, we see, how much selfish and materialistic orientated Buddhist people sometimes are. This is also a form of aggression.

We see no difference in using drugs, criminal offences, misuse of alcohol, mistreatment of other lives....against humans as well as against animals....

There is no equality in Buddhism, not the same chance for everybody, and man and woman are not considered to enter Buddhist studies in the same way........

At least there is nothing known, which makes Buddhists significant different - neither worse nor better - from all the others, who are followers of different religions.......

For me Buddhism is nothing special, just a religion like any other religion else...

Johann

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Your apology is most likely completely misunderstood. Many must think you are apologizing for your presence which is the only meaningful thing.

No it isn't. It is completely understood. How can you make such a presumption when you know nothing of the circumstances?

Lighten up! :o

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