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1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

Quote: In 2018, Somerset Capital opened an investment fund in Dublin. A prospectus for the new business listed Brexit as one of the risks, as it could cause "considerable uncertainty". Rees-Mogg, who is a partner of the business but does not make investment decisions, defended the move, stating: "The decision to launch the fund was nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit".

 

Is or is that not a conflict of interest? As well as not being in accordance with reality. The 'honourable' MP's statements (as Chairman of the ERG) are as bad as Trump's rhetoric.

You don't like JRM I understand.

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22 hours ago, dunroaming said:

The difference between the 1975 referendum and the 2016 one is that the negotiating was done before the vote in the 1975 one, so was based on facts, whereas the 2016 one was voted for based on fantasy promises.   That is the simple truth.

 

However all the bickering doesn't matter a jot to the outcome that will eventually come.  This is political and without a peoples vote we will continue to be lead by the nose and have our future decided by the political ambitions of fools and charlatans. 

A bigger difference is that the then EEC is now the EU and it's controlling political aims are now far more evident. Another big difference is that a large group of people have had over 40 years to make their own judgement on the EEC/EC/EU - these are obviously the older voters that several morbid remainers wish to see gone - but they are the ones who really know the difference!  

 

Few of the facts about the political nature of the EEC/EU were ever revealed on a broad scale before the series of treaties were signed. The simple truth is that Heath deceived the British people in 1972 and only just managed to get a parliamentary vote to get in, in the first place. This deception continued in 1975.

 

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4 hours ago, Watchful said:

Well, clearly the mayor of London is against Brexit. He thinks the UK needs more "peace loving" Muslims.

 

And as every leaver knows, brexit and Muslims are one and the same.

 

I moved up to Sheffield in the early 80's and part of the city was virtually a no go area for white people, even the police feared to tread. Of course all the fault of the EU?

Fast forward to the 2000's and Burnley was torn apart because the EU? had refused planning permission for a 4th mosque, many other areas had similar problems. Then we had the Rotherham sex scandal, police knew there was a problem but backed off as the race issue had become so toxic, another EU problem? There are some very good reasons why certain areas of the country have a negative perception of immigration policy but it must be kept in perspective.

The rhetoric over the brexit issue has become so intense people have lost track of who was responsible for what.

If you have an broken arm and a cold, is trying to cure the cold the most appropriate course of treatment.

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20 hours ago, rixalex said:

 

Didn't the Chancellor of the Exchequer mention something about there needing to be a emergency (read punishment) budget immediately after a vote to leave?

 

This threat would have potentially swayed more voters than something said or promised by a leaver, because Osbourne wasn't talking about what he would do hypothetically, IF he was the Chancellor, he WAS the Chancellor and he WAS in government, and so therefore if he said there would need to be an emergency budget, most people would probably think that that is exactly what would happen.

Exactly.  This was by far the worst lie told during the run up to the referendum IMO - and as it was proven to be an outright lie after the referendum result, he was forced out of his job.

 

To look on the bright side, I suspect most voters realised that his 'promised punishment budget' was nothing other than fear propaganda, and probably annoyed a few into voting leave! 😂

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21 hours ago, sandyf said:

And as every leaver knows, brexit and Muslims are one and the same.

 

I moved up to Sheffield in the early 80's and part of the city was virtually a no go area for white people, even the police feared to tread. Of course all the fault of the EU?

Fast forward to the 2000's and Burnley was torn apart because the EU? had refused planning permission for a 4th mosque, many other areas had similar problems. Then we had the Rotherham sex scandal, police knew there was a problem but backed off as the race issue had become so toxic, another EU problem? There are some very good reasons why certain areas of the country have a negative perception of immigration policy but it must be kept in perspective.

The rhetoric over the brexit issue has become so intense people have lost track of who was responsible for what.

If you have an broken arm and a cold, is trying to cure the cold the most appropriate course of treatment.

One comment, from one individual, immediately twisted to be the belief of "every leaver". Typical bull. 

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There is and really always has been only a 10-15% minority of British people, who really wanted Britain to exit the EU. 

 

These people were hugely loud, and their voices were multiplied by the rather self promoting medias in the UK. 

 

 

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On ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 5:47 AM, rixalex said:

 

Didn't the Chancellor of the Exchequer mention something about there needing to be a emergency (read punishment) budget immediately after a vote to leave?

 

This threat would have potentially swayed more voters than something said or promised by a leaver, because Osbourne wasn't talking about what he would do hypothetically, IF he was the Chancellor, he WAS the Chancellor and he WAS in government, and so therefore if he said there would need to be an emergency budget, most people would probably think that that is exactly what would happen.

 He and his Labour predecessor warned of possibilities based on projections from  the Institute of Fiscal Studies should the UK leave. 

 

Boris and his cohorts made definite statements they knew to be untrue.

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On 12/13/2018 at 12:32 PM, oilinki said:

There is and really always has been only a 10-15% minority of British people, who really wanted Britain to exit the EU. 

 

These people were hugely loud, and their voices were multiplied by the rather self promoting medias in the UK. 

 

 

Project Bullshine continues.....................

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There is and really always has been only a 10-15% minority of British people, who really wanted Britain to exit the EU. 
 
These people were hugely loud, and their voices were multiplied by the rather self promoting medias in the UK. 
 
 
Very strange comment by such an intelligent chap as yourself.
Please explain why 17.4 MILLION people voted LEAVE???

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 He and his Labour predecessor warned of possibilities based on projections from  the Institute of Fiscal Studies should the UK leave. 

So it seems like the remain promises/threats that haven't come to pass are conveniently written off as honest mistakes.


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4 hours ago, rixalex said:


 


So it seems like the remain promises/threats that haven't come to pass are conveniently written off as honest mistakes.


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And that's precisely why so many of us have no interest in 'experts' opinions.... 

 

They proved their bias before the referendum - and continue with the same 'arguments', as if their previous 'arguments' were anything close to accurate 😁!

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51 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

And that's precisely why so many of us have no interest in 'experts' opinions.... 

 

They proved their bias before the referendum - and continue with the same 'arguments', as if their previous 'arguments' were anything close to accurate 😁!

arguments like the Brexit bus? :smile:

 

brexit-bus.jpg

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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

And that's precisely why so many of us have no interest in 'experts' opinions.... 

 

They proved their bias before the referendum - and continue with the same 'arguments', as if their previous 'arguments' were anything close to accurate 😁!

 

6 minutes ago, Naam said:

arguments like the Brexit bus? :smile:

 

brexit-bus.jpg

Please don't reduce yourself to that level, I thought you were more intelligent than that.

 

Argue the point made, rather than coming up with the same old trash....

 

I'm willing to accept that the odd stupid person genuinely belived that the slogan meant that the money saved would be spent entirely on the NHS - in the same way as I believe the odd stupid person believed Osborne's promised punishment budget.....

 

As a reminder... my point was:-

 

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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

And that's precisely why so many of us have no interest in 'experts' opinions.... 

 

They proved their bias before the referendum - and continue with the same 'arguments', as if their previous 'arguments' were anything close to accurate 😁!

 

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4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

Please don't reduce yourself to that level, I thought you were more intelligent than that.

 

Argue the point made, rather than coming up with the same old trash....

 

I'm willing to accept that the odd stupid person genuinely belived that the slogan meant that the money saved would be spent entirely on the NHS - in the same way as I believe the odd stupid person believed Osborne's promised punishment budget.....

Sure, it was worded that way with no intent to deceive. They just happened to juxtapose the factoid with the promise of more funds for NHS.  And it also wasn't trying to fool the UK public into believing that the cost to the UK of EU membership was a net 350 million per week.

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