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On 12/12/2018 at 1:25 PM, vogie said:

You don't like JRM I understand.

I don't like or trust JRM either.  He's v. intelligent and runs rings around the rubbish spouted by remainers - but I've no doubt he's looking after his own personal interests....

 

And that's the problem.  There's not one, single politician that I trust to actually respect the intention behind the referendum result ☹️.

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2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:
2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Sure, it was worded that way with no intent to deceive. They just happened to juxtapose the factoid with the promise of more funds for NHS.  And it also wasn't trying to fool the UK public into believing that the cost to the UK of EU membership was a net 350 million per week.

The brexit bus is always the main 'lie' argument of remainers.  Funny how they forget to mention Osborne's promised punishment budget - and he was a member of the govt.!

 

And sacked immediately after the referendum result as his lie was immediately proven to be a lie.....

 

A bit unfair, as the biggest lie has been proven to be Cameron's. 'We will enact your decision'....😂

bus or no bus the £350mm per week (£18.2bb) was a blatant lie. here's the beef from Uk's "Office for National Statistics":

https://www.ons.gov.uk/.../theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

 

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Using EC data that includes credits from the EU to UK public and private sectors, the UK’s average annual net contribution on this wider basis for the years 2012 to 2016 was £8.1 billion.

no more palaver please.

 

 

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3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

The brexit bus is always the main 'lie' argument of remainers.  Funny how they forget to mention Osborne's promised punishment budget - and he was a member of the govt.!

 

And sacked immediately after the referendum result as his lie was immediately proven to be a lie.....

 

A bit unfair, as the biggest lie has been proven to be Cameron's. 'We will enact your decision'....😂

Before you were saying that the Brexiters didn't practice to deceive, and now you're claiming that the Remainers deceived, too.  Do you see a discrepancy there?

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Before you were saying that the Brexiters didn't practice to deceive, and now you're claiming that the Remainers deceived, too.  Do you see a discrepancy there?
Actually this line of discussion started with a challenge by 7by7 for a single lie told by the remain side to be quoted, since he seems to think the deceit is one-sided.

I think most people agree liberties were taken with the truth on both sides, although I'd argue that it's a more serious matter when those liberties taken were being spoken by the government of the day.

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On ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 7:14 AM, rixalex said:


 


So it seems like the remain promises/threats that haven't come to pass are conveniently written off as honest mistakes.


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 You obviously have difficulty in understanding the difference between a statement which those making it say is a fact and a projection of something which might happen in a worst case scenario.

 

Or maybe you do know the difference, but are hoping that others don't!

 

Of course, projections, good and bad, of what might happen post Brexit cannot be fully judged until some time after Brexit has actually happened, and are dependent upon what sort of deal, if any, we make with the EU for the future.

 

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On 12/17/2018 at 10:46 PM, Naam said:

bus or no bus the £350mm per week (£18.2bb) was a blatant lie. here's the beef from Uk's "Office for National Statistics":

better swallow your beef

 

£350 million per week is roughly what the UK pays the EU excluding the rebate.

Factoring in the rebate the UK pays around £250 million per week, but it doesn't have control of the 100m difference.

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

 

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1 hour ago, My Thai Life said:

better swallow your beef

 

£350 million per week is roughly what the UK pays the EU excluding the rebate.

Factoring in the rebate the UK pays around £250 million per week, but it doesn't have control of the 100m difference.

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

 

From your own link 

 

The UK doesn’t pay or "send to Brussels" this higher figure of £18.6 billion, or anything equivalent per week or per day. The rebate is applied straight away (its size is calculated based on the previous year's contributions), so the UK never contributes this much.

 

So we never send the rebate to Brussels - we have complete control of it!

 

The money we don't have control over is the extra money we get back from Europe 

 

The government then gets some of that money back, mainly through payments to farmers and for poorer areas of the country such as Wales and Cornwall.

In 2017, the UK's ‘public sector receipts’ are estimated to be £4 billion.

 

The Treasury figures note payments the EU makes directly to the private sector, such as research grants. In 2015, these were worth an estimated £1.5 billion, so including them could reduce our net contribution further still.

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On 12/17/2018 at 10:46 PM, Naam said:

bus or no bus the £350mm per week (£18.2bb) was a blatant lie. here's the beef from Uk's "Office for National Statistics":

https://www.ons.gov.uk/.../theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

 

no more palaver please.

 

 

In 2016, the UK government spent £814.6 billion. The uk net contribution to the EU was around 8-9 billion. That's around one percent.

 

Meanwhile, the British pound has lost a purchasing power of 150 billion ( only money base M2) on the world stage in 2018.

 

A country that can afford such an economic stupidity,

This country is doing too well.

 

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 You obviously have difficulty in understanding the difference between a statement which those making it say is a fact and a projection of something which might happen in a worst case scenario.
 
Or maybe you do know the difference, but are hoping that others don't!
 
Of course, projections, good and bad, of what might happen post Brexit cannot be fully judged until some time after Brexit has actually happened, and are dependent upon what sort of deal, if any, we make with the EU for the future.
 
I think YOU are the one with the understanding issue.

"Worst case scenario"? You speak as if there were multiple outcomes possible on the eve of the vote. Of course there were just two. A vote to remain or a vote to leave.

The chancellor stated that, "there will have to be an emergency budget if the UK votes to leave the EU".

Not "there may be".

Not "we'll have to wait and see and assess things".

But, "THERE WILL HAVE TO BE".

That isn't a projection. That is a promise.

Honest mistake my elbow. How naive to do you have to be to believe that? The whole government was in full "get the nation to vote remain" mode, and this promise was clearly designed to instil fear in what would happen to the economy in the event of a leave vote. It was a lie. A lie that of course would have forever been unknown had the country voted the way it was supposed to. That was what the chancellor was banking on. He gambled and lost.

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While there are folks who talk how important their people are. 

 

Who thinks England or lesser Britain is important anymore?

 

 

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30 minutes ago, oilinki said:

While there are folks who talk how important their people are. 

 

Who thinks England or lesser Britain is important anymore?

 

 

I think it's the 6th biggest economy in the world.  What makes you think that doesn't qualify the UK to count as important?

This kind of scorn is childish and baseless.

The UK may not have the same status in the world as it did before WW1, but that doesn't mean it isn't important. Just less important.

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29 minutes ago, oilinki said:

While there are folks who talk how important their people are. 

 

Who thinks England or lesser Britain is important anymore?

 

 

Who cares what you think or believe?

 

It is more important what the world thinks.

 

https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/

 

https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

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22 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I think it's the 6th biggest economy in the world.  What makes you think that doesn't qualify the UK to count as important?

This kind of scorn is childish and baseless.

The UK may not have the same status in the world as it did before WW1, but that doesn't mean it isn't important. Just less important.

I thought UK was 5th biggest economy in the world. I guess I have to update my books!!

 

Is there a reason why I still think that UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world and you think it's the 6th biggest economy in the world?

 

 

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