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May is said to withdraw parliamentary vote on her Brexit deal

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17 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

To use your own words:

You keep saying that long enough, you might actually start to believe it.

First time I've said it. 馃槙. Not big on mantras I afraid.

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9 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

I'm not a Brit, so no horse in the race, but if you go through my post history you will find that I posted when May became PM that she would do everyting to remain.

Just look at the news from the first weeks after she became PM, which her priorities and appointments were, and it will be clear that a brexit was not on the books for her.

Jan, we cannot go through the history, ThaiVisa has deleted it all. But we believe you anyway.馃榾

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Remain or leave ....the vote was taken.

A bigger issue is the current UN Migration paper that May wants to sign up to. This will finish off the UK with no return. End of.....

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Ever since the negotiations started, May, the government, and parliament knew by leaving the single market - IMO, the biggest聽disaster ever - the most important聽issue that needed to be resolved first of all was preventing a hard border in Ireland.聽聽That still hasn't happened after more than two years of avoiding the crunch.聽

Unless May manages to get a fudged response by the EU to the proposed backstop, the meaningful vote by parliament would see her deal rejected, and then it's game on what happens next. That is, apart from a no-deal scenario because parliament would never sanction the ruinous聽economic consequences of that route.聽聽

IMO, the only 'deal' that makes any sense if the UK wants to leave the EU, is to remain in the single market, which would resolve the Irish issue, and accept the EU's聽four freedoms, similar to Norway.聽

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6 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Only 20% Back Second Referendum if Deal Voted Down

Even the great Peoplevote spin doctor聽Alastair Campbell tells of remain voters now want leave

Brexit bust-up, things get heated in the studio - BBC Newsnight

An interesting video, thank you for posting it.

I particularly liked the lady from The Times saying that she originally supported another referendum, until she discovered that the vote was likely to be the same, and that no deal might very well be supported by the electorate聽馃槀!

Other than that, she and the other guy (not Campbell....) made some good points.

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7 minutes ago, BKKMG said:

Remain or leave ....the vote was taken.

And now it's all gone wrong.

And now the finger is hovering above the reset button.

You and the others can keep on squawking about the "vote" for the rest of your lives.

Time moves on.

re路al路po路li路tik
/r膩藞盲lp艒li藢t膿k/
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noun: realpolitik
  1. a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations.

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2 hours ago, vogie said:

There is no shift in public opinion for a second referendum.

I truly believe there have been many changes and in all directions. This is the biggest decision since WW2. Surely it would be wise to have the public ratify whatever parliament decides.

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8 minutes ago, Enoon said:

And now it's all gone wrong.

And now the finger is hovering above the reset button.

You and the others can keep on squawking about the "vote" for the rest of your lives.

Time moves on.

re路al路po路li路tik
/r膩藞盲lp艒li藢t膿k/
noun
noun: realpolitik
  1. a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations.

"

Time hasn't "moved on" , we still have democracy where people vote and "realpolitik" is just a new word for people who lost the vote

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11 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Ever since the negotiations started, May, the government, and parliament knew by leaving the single market - IMO, the biggest聽disaster ever - the most important聽issue that needed to be resolved first of all was preventing a hard border in Ireland.聽聽That still hasn't happened after more than two years of avoiding the crunch.聽

Unless May manages to get a fudged response by the EU to the proposed backstop, the meaningful vote by parliament would see her deal rejected, and then it's game on what happens next. That is, apart from a no-deal scenario because parliament would never sanction the ruinous聽economic consequences of that route.聽聽

IMO, the only 'deal' that makes any sense if the UK wants to leave the EU, is to remain in the single market, which would resolve the Irish issue, and accept the EU's聽four freedoms, similar to Norway.聽


"IMO, the only 'deal' that makes any sense if the UK wants to leave the EU, is to remain in the single market, which would resolve the Irish issue, and accept the EU's聽four freedoms, similar to Norway. "


But, as far as the Brexiteers are concerned, that's not a real Brexit. It's a Brexit in name only.聽 馃檪

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14 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Ever since the negotiations started, May, the government, and parliament knew by leaving the single market - IMO, the biggest聽disaster ever - the most important聽issue that needed to be resolved first of all was preventing a hard border in Ireland.聽聽That still hasn't happened after more than two years of avoiding the crunch.聽

Unless May manages to get a fudged response by the EU to the proposed backstop, the meaningful vote by parliament would see her deal rejected, and then it's game on what happens next. That is, apart from a no-deal scenario because parliament would never sanction the ruinous聽economic consequences of that route.聽聽

IMO, the only 'deal' that makes any sense if the UK wants to leave the EU, is to remain in the single market, which would resolve the Irish issue, and accept the EU's聽four freedoms, similar to Norway.聽

You would need customs union to fix Irish border issue

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6 minutes ago, Enoon said:

And now it's all gone wrong.

And now the finger is hovering above the reset button.

You and the others can keep on squawking about the "vote" for the rest of your lives.

Time moves on.

re路al路po路li路tik
/r膩藞盲lp艒li藢t膿k/
noun
noun: realpolitik
  1. a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations.

Agree. In a democratic society , the population are able to vote in any election year, and they could certainly vote again over whether May's deal is acceptable or not. Might as well ruin the UK once and for all whatever the outcome.

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Here's an idea.

Secret ballot by parliament followed by ratification by referendum

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2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

You would need customs union to fix Irish border issue

Norway manages without one, albeit with difficulties, and I agree remaining in the current EU customs Union is by far the best route to resolve the聽 Irish issue.

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6 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Here's an idea.

Secret ballot by parliament followed by ratification by referendum

Too time consuming and open to sculduggery 鈽

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