webfact Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Putin's Stasi identity card discovered in German archives By Thomas Escritt FILE PHOTO: Participants of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) gather near an electronic screen showing Russian President Vladimir Putin, who speaks during a session of the forum in St. Petersburg, Russia, June 2, 2017. REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin/File Photo BERLIN (Reuters) - The identity card, issued more than three decades ago by East Germany's Stasi secret police, would be of little interest were it not for the name of the man staring out: Vladimir Putin. The card was issued in 1986 when Putin was a mid-ranking KGB spy stationed in Dresden in communist East Germany, then under Russian occupation. It has lain in archives since at least 1990, when the two Germanys were reunified. Found in archives by U.S. historian Douglas Selvage, the card was trumpeted on Tuesday by Bild newspaper as evidence Russia's now long-serving president was also working for the hated East German security service, wound up in 1990. Bearing the serial number B 217590, the card bears Putin's signature next to the black-and-white photograph of a tie-clad young man. On the reverse side, quarterly stamps show it remained in use to the final quarter of 1989, when spreading protests precipitated East Germany's final collapse. In a statement, the authority in charge of the Stasi archives said it was common for KGB agents stationed in the fraternal socialist German Democratic Republic to be issued passes giving them entry to Stasi offices. "It allowed KGB representatives to access regional offices of the Ministry for State Security (Stasi)," the statement read. "That went also for Vladimir Putin, who then worked in the KGB office in Dresden... There is no evidence he worked for the Stasi." Asked about the report on Tuesday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters there would be nothing unusual in Putin having such a card. "As is well known at the time when the Soviet Union existed, the KGB and the Stasi were partner intelligence agencies so you probably can't rule out an exchange of such identity cards," he said. Putin worked for the KGB in Dresden from 1985 to 1990. When the Berlin Wall fell in 1989, Putin, who held the rank of major, said he brandished a pistol to stop an angry crowd from ransacking his intelligence agency's offices in Dresden and purloining its files, a tactic that worked. A fluent German speaker, his work there included recruiting informants and saw him promoted twice. Before he left,Putin said he and others burned reams of secret KGB files. Putin went on to head Russia's FSB, the main successor agency to the KGB, before assuming the presidency in 2000. (Reporting by Thomas Escritt and Andrew Osborn; Editing by Andrew Cawthorne) -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-12-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Looking good. A "can do" kind of guy, who was a quick study on how the Stasi machine gunned wall hoppers. Gets me all nostalgic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingtlger Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Looks like a cold blooded murderer even then..... e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, webfact said: ound in archives by U.S. historian Douglas Selvage, the card was trumpeted on Tuesday by Bild newspaper as evidence Russia's now long-serving president was also working for the hated East German security service, wound up in 1990. It was in the box next to Merkel's Stasi ID card. So Putin is bad, and Merkel is good, even though we have seen photos of them wearing the same uniform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337markus Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 A nothing story, next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 50 minutes ago, BritManToo said: It was in the box next to Merkel's Stasi ID card. So Putin is bad, and Merkel is good, even though we have seen photos of them wearing the same uniform? No she wasn't. No you haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Headlines as if Putin or Russia ever denied it ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamypoko Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 A chin only Manafort could love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, BritManToo said: It was in the box next to Merkel's Stasi ID card. So Putin is bad, and Merkel is good, even though we have seen photos of them wearing the same uniform? I never understood how the German population let it happen for a former Stasi snitch to become the chancellor of the nation. Possible answer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lupatria said: I never understood how the German population let it happen for a former Stasi snitch to become the chancellor of the nation. Possible answer: possible answer "Germany was and is doing economically quite well with Merkel as chancellor." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Quote webfact said: ound in archives by U.S. historian Douglas Selvage, the card was trumpeted on Tuesday by Bild newspaper as evidence Russia's now long-serving president was also working for the hated East German security service, wound up in 1990. "BILD" made no mention that the back of the ID contained the remark "printed in Langley, Virginia." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I love the stamps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Naam said: possible answer "Germany was and is doing economically quite well with Merkel as chancellor." nothing to do with Merkel. The German economy owes itself to the Chinese lust for German motor cars which goes way back to before the wall came down. Deals were done with the East Germans because the Chinese were willing to deal with socialists but not with capitalists. Unless the deal was done through Hong Kong of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikao Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Naam said: "Germany was and is doing economically quite well with Merkel as chancellor." That´s correct. But sadly it is only the big enterprises and banks that benefit from Merkel´s policy. The normal people and especially pensioners don´t. Not at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, car720 said: nothing to do with Merkel. The German economy owes itself to the Chinese lust for German motor cars which goes way back to before the wall came down. Deals were done with the East Germans because the Chinese were willing to deal with socialists but not with capitalists. Unless the deal was done through Hong Kong of course. which German cars were produced in East Germany and exported to China before the wall came down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, pikao said: That´s correct. But sadly it is only the big enterprises and banks that benefit from Merkel´s policy. The normal people and especially pensioners don´t. Not at all generally pensioners get what they deserve depending on their contributions to Germany's social insurance system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikao Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 49 minutes ago, Naam said: generally pensioners get what they deserve depending on their contributions to Germany's social insurance system. Unfortunately not really. Or they didn´t raise pensions accordingly. On my last visits to Munich, which was and is a rich city, now only affordable for the rich, I´ve seen lots of people searching the waste bins for refundable bottles. All ages, many of them old. A bottle can get you 8-15 Eurocents approx. These people desperately need the little extra. And at the so called "Tafel" (places where they collect left over food from supermarkets etc., to give it for free, originally to the homeless) the number of pensioners attending has risen dramtically over the past years. SIEMENS, BMW, Deutsche Bank etc. make more money every year but that does not come to people accordingly, and an (officially) estimated 25% of the elder population is threatend to suffer from so called "poverty amoung the elderly" in the coming years. Well done politicians, great job. Your buddies will applaud you at the next Bilderberg meeting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Naam said: which German cars were produced in East Germany and exported to China before the wall came down? None. I simply said that the deals were done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Must have been quite a ride for those chaps of the Stasi in the ole days, with free booze and free pussy !! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikao Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Naam said: which German cars were produced in East Germany and exported to China before the wall came down? IFA trucks maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, car720 said: None. I simply said that the deals were done. please tell us more of these kind of jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Naam said: possible answer "Germany was and is doing economically quite well with Merkel as chancellor." I hope you don't consider this as the only suitable reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German farang Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Naam said: which German cars were produced in East Germany and exported to China before the wall came down? Small trucks & transporters: "LO", "W50" & "B1000". In use around the world untill nowadays. Motorbikes & Smallbikes: "MZ" & "Simson". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, Lupatria said: I hope you don't consider this as the only suitable reason! i couldn't care less what reasons are suitable or not. i'm a German but lived for the last 44 years 95% of the time abroad. can't even properly keep up with the latest changes of political horsetrading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, German farang said: Small trucks & transporters: "LO", "W50" & "B1000". In use around the world untill nowadays. Motorbikes & Smallbikes: "MZ" & "Simson". and that is the reason why Germany is doing economically ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 An off topic trolling post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I remember driving into Eastern Germany in 1991. This was not long after the wall had collapsed. My old 1986 Mazda stood out from the crowd. All the other cars were Trabants . The locals were actually amused when they saw my car and I soon became a tourist attraction, everyone wanted to touch my Mazda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 13 hours ago, flyingtlger said: Looks like a cold blooded murderer even then..... e and he had a son, who he smuggled off to the big America bred as a sleeper agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German farang Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 22 hours ago, Naam said: and that is the reason why Germany is doing economically ok? Do you couldn't find another more stupid comment, dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack100 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 7:05 PM, German farang said: Small trucks & transporters: "LO", "W50" & "B1000". In use around the world untill nowadays. Motorbikes & Smallbikes: "MZ" & "Simson". I bought a Bosch car fuel pump in the 90's ..actually three of them because the first two didn't work !Mercedes quality ? The garage storeman explained they recently moved production to East Germany and hadn't quite got it right yet . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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