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12 hours ago, xylophone said:

I was out last night with a couple of friends and ate in an Italian restaurant, where the total cost for two entrees, three mains, one side dish and a coffee came to 1260 baht total – – damn cheap in my opinion.

You seem to come from a very expensive country if this is "damn cheap" for you. If you went to a medium priced italian restaurant in Germany you would pay a similar price, so for Thailand this is clearly expensive 😉

 

12 hours ago, xylophone said:

I think it's been said in one way or another, but Phuket/Patong is as expensive or as cheap as you want it to be.

Phuket is expensive, even objectively. This does of course not mean that everything is expensive, imho hotels are priced reasonable, and the rental price for a motorbike is also reasonable.

Expensive at Phuket:

- Food. You can buy some standard Thai "ahan dam sang" dish for 30-50THB in most places in Thailand, even in Bangkok, but at Phuket it costs 60-100THB, same for any other food

- Transport. The prices to use a taxi / tuk tuk to go a few kms to the next beach are just a ripoff

 

 

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3 hours ago, jackdd said:

You seem to come from a very expensive country if this is "damn cheap" for you. If you went to a medium priced italian restaurant in Germany you would pay a similar price, so for Thailand this is clearly expensive

Then we have to differ in our experiences as I consider 420 baht for an entree, main with a side dish for 3 and a coffee to be cheap, although I can't speak to Germany, I can say that I paid 550 baht for a gourmet medium pizza in an Auckland suburb a few years back and a single main course in an average restaurant will cost more than 420 baht........and as I have said, I compare prices with my home country because I have lived both there and here and therefore have a benchmark for comparison.

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Visiting Phuket, Patong for the first time. The place is like a ghost town, properties run down, scruffy, many for sale as many businesses closed due to the lack of visitors. The reason maybe is attitude, for example. I wanted to book a Grab taxi from Phuket airport to Patong, was quoted 1000tbht, high cost due to high demand, yet, my taxi would arrive in three minutes, clearly not so busy after all. It's a rip off plain and simple. Decided against a taxi at that extortionate price, went for the minibus option at 180tbht. 10 people boarded the minibus, which left one seat vacant. We were held captive at the airport for an hour while the driver waited to fill the one vacant seat. This was uncomfortable to say the least and extremely disrespectful to the ten customers already on the bus. Incidentally the eleventh seat was not taken after an hour, when we departed the airport.

Patong beach; strewn with plastic rubbish, no litter bins in evidence, no sign the beach is cleaned at all, sea water quite dirty too, not at all inviting. 

My hotel which is under 50% occupied is a basic Thai3 star, it's comfortable and friendly, located in a quiet soi, back street, that is until the bars start their open air shows at decibel levels deafeningly, desperately loud, in one supposes a vain attempt to lure non existent tourists in.

Thankfully local laws now demand bars must cease noise pollution at 23.00hours.

To give a reflection of the situation, Bangla Road bars capable of seating 500 people are virtually devoid of customers.

It would appear Patong has priced itself out of the market. 

Prices are now on a par with Europe, while the standards, hygiene, health and safety are most definitely not !

Phuket is not an island I would wish to return to.

 

 

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jeeez! 

I dream to wish we could wind Patong's clock back , to 1981!

 - thatched hut restaurants, right on the sandy foreshore of the beach itself

 - just a couple of bars along Teewanong Rd, plus only one side street of others. I recall the Deutcher bar near the main corner, and the Kanga bar across the side road a bit further up.

 - the katoeys had their own separate little ghetto, way ways down the South end of the main road

 - the only foreigners to compete against were our fellow military type up from Butterworth, a few Dutch and Austrians

 - Not yet a full blown US Navy R&R jaunt, to ruin the prices for the rest of us

 - The only 'large' resort, was ways down, further than the Katoeys; on that far hill jutting out to sea, and only accessible by a big white flimsy suspension walk bridge

 - no Multi storey hotels...at all!

 

our 'motel' was the Phuket cabanas. Cabins were thatch topped affairs, under the palm, also right on the foreshore. later overtaken 1984 by Phuket Beach Bungalows; and of course all swept away years later

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3 minutes ago, tifino said:

jeeez! 

I dream to wish we could wind Patong's clock back , to 1981!

 - thatched hut restaurants, right on the sandy foreshore of the beach itself

 - just a couple of bars along Teewanong Rd, plus only one side street of others. I recall the Deutcher bar near the main corner, and the Kanga bar across the side road a bit further up.

 - the katoeys had their own separate little ghetto, way ways down the South end of the main road

 - the only foreigners to compete against were our fellow military type up from Butterworth, a few Dutch and Austrians

 - Not yet a full blown US Navy R&R jaunt, to ruin the prices for the rest of us

 - The only 'large' resort, was ways down, further than the Katoeys; on that far hill jutting out to sea, and only accessible by a big white flimsy suspension walk bridge

 - no Multi storey hotels...at all!

Think your 1981 is wrong, my first visit was 1970 and much more developed than you describe....however agree with your sentiments!

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23 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Think your 1981 is wrong, my first visit was 1970 and much more developed than you describe....however agree with your sentiments!

well it was a popular R&R venue during the Vietnam era itself, and a decade later the new jab of life was in full swing again by 1984...

 

best food 1981, was the Number 4 restaurant, as usual one of the places on the sand foreshore;

the live food was crawling about in the wet trays, but outnumbered by the hermit? crabs in the sand around your feet

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30 minutes ago, Martin UK said:

Visiting Phuket, Patong for the first time. The place is like a ghost town, properties run down, scruffy, many for sale as many businesses closed due to the lack of visitors. The reason maybe is attitude, for example. I wanted to book a Grab taxi from Phuket airport to Patong, was quoted 1000tbht, high cost due to high demand, yet, my taxi would arrive in three minutes, clearly not so busy after all. It's a rip off plain and simple. Decided against a taxi at that extortionate price, went for the minibus option at 180tbht. 10 people boarded the minibus, which left one seat vacant. We were held captive at the airport for an hour while the driver waited to fill the one vacant seat. This was uncomfortable to say the least and extremely disrespectful to the ten customers already on the bus. Incidentally the eleventh seat was not taken after an hour, when we departed the airport.

Patong beach; strewn with plastic rubbish, no litter bins in evidence, no sign the beach is cleaned at all, sea water quite dirty too, not at all inviting. 

My hotel which is under 50% occupied is a basic Thai3 star, it's comfortable and friendly, located in a quiet soi, back street, that is until the bars start their open air shows at decibel levels deafeningly, desperately loud, in one supposes a vain attempt to lure non existent tourists in.

Thankfully local laws now demand bars must cease noise pollution at 23.00hours.

To give a reflection of the situation, Bangla Road bars capable of seating 500 people are virtually devoid of customers.

It would appear Patong has priced itself out of the market. 

Prices are now on a par with Europe, while the standards, hygiene, health and safety are most definitely not !

Phuket is not an island I would wish to return to.

Quite the tome for a first post put together less than 2 hours after joining!

 

Firstly, smart people who do just a bit of checking before hand, would use the smart bus with a maximum fare of 170 baht to all the west coast beaches and would know to avoid the ripoff mini bus.

The criticism of the beach might have some truth, but you certainly ramped up the narrative to justify your attack.

So you stay in an entertainment town, close to the main entertainment street, complain about empty bars, and then bitch about noise coming from these apparently empty clubs and bars.  I see you claim knowledge of local laws regarding  "noise pollution". I would argue the actual closing times for Bangla Road is 0200 not 2330.

Difficult to know what you are looking for in a holiday, If indeed this is a genuine new post, but you obviously failed to visit Phuket the Province despite judging the whole place on your stay in one little specialized town,

Incidentally this, taken just now, is the next major beach south of Patong.

Water and beach clean enough for you? Perhaps it's too expensive for you in this area. 

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On 1/18/2019 at 7:50 AM, jackdd said:

You seem to come from a very expensive country if this is "damn cheap" for you. If you went to a medium priced italian restaurant in Germany you would pay a similar price, so for Thailand this is clearly expensive 😉

 

Phuket is expensive, even objectively. This does of course not mean that everything is expensive, imho hotels are priced reasonable, and the rental price for a motorbike is also reasonable.

Expensive at Phuket:

- Food. You can buy some standard Thai "ahan dam sang" dish for 30-50THB in most places in Thailand, even in Bangkok, but at Phuket it costs 60-100THB, same for any other food

- Transport. The prices to use a taxi / tuk tuk to go a few kms to the next beach are just a ripoff

 

 

Wow- 12 bucks for a decent meal and you don't consider that cheap- what world do you live in? Similar price in germany- you have to be joking.  in canada  even a Mc Donalds is around 7 bucks.

 

Ten baht extra for noodles- I bet 7-11 must love you. 

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2 hours ago, Psimbo said:

Wow- 12 bucks for a decent meal and you don't consider that cheap- what world do you live in? Similar price in germany- you have to be joking.  in canada  even a Mc Donalds is around 7 bucks.

Believe it or not, in Germany in a random city (if you are in for example Munich it will of course cost more) in an average restaurant you get a decent meal for about 10 Euro (12 USD) 😉

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On 1/17/2019 at 11:56 AM, xylophone said:

We are talking about "expensive Phuket" although this very subject of "expensive" is being debated on another thread, however I'll stick with this one for my comments.

 

I think it's been said in one way or another, but Phuket/Patong is as expensive or as cheap as you want it to be.

 

I was out last night with a couple of friends and ate in an Italian restaurant, where the total cost for two entrees, three mains, one side dish and a coffee came to 1260 baht total – – damn cheap in my opinion.

Of course if one wants to eat at food halls and other such places, then they are also very cheap, whereas if one wanted to go to one of the long established seafood restaurants on beach road (and one in particular whose name I shall not mention) you could be quite easily ripped off as regards price and quantity.

 

As it was a friends birthday he wanted to go into one of the go-go joints and although some of the drinks are expensive, especially if you wish to buy one of the ladies a drink, we all had beers at 99 baht each, which when you consider what was on show in an air-conditioned environment, was not bad at all.

 

Another bar had beers at 80 baht whilst the new large Folies bar had a very small rum and coke at around 180 baht, which was expensive in my opinion, but another downside was that we were surrounded by four girls who all wanted a drink, for no other reason than we were there!

 

Another bar had a rum and coke at 190 baht.............and so on. It really depends on what you are looking for and where you want to go, and normally you would expect to pay higher prices for those large bars where you get some form of entertainment, whilst at the everyday beer bar, prices can be quite competitive.

 

I think that is why I would never normally label Phuket/Patong as expensive, because if one is on a budget, then holidaying here is no problem with regards to cost, provided one looks around and uses a modicum of common sense. On the other side of the coin, you can blow as much baht as you want if cost is not an issue.

Personally, I don’t really mind paying a few bob more for a meal if the quality and service justify, within reason, satisfy the package. When last over, I was in the company of a fine young-at-heart gentleman (sic) from the old country and eating at Salute, off Bangla. I regularly eat quality Italian fayre and was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the nosh presented, complimented by the attentive service and reasonable cost; and there’s the rub, my requirements for a meal out were met – I wasn’t there to save a few cents, I was on holiday. Possibly a message for Thai owned restaurants here that are complaining about ‘no hab customer’; have a quality well priced product with good service would help – 2 out of 3 won’t work in the current environment.

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Visiting Phuket, Patong for the first time. The place is like a ghost town, properties run down, scruffy, many for sale as many businesses closed due to the lack of visitors. The reason maybe is attitude, for example. I wanted to book a Grab taxi from Phuket airport to Patong, was quoted 1000tbht, high cost due to high demand, yet, my taxi would arrive in three minutes, clearly not so busy after all. It's a rip off plain and simple. Decided against a taxi at that extortionate price, went for the minibus option at 180tbht. 10 people boarded the minibus, which left one seat vacant. We were held captive at the airport for an hour while the driver waited to fill the one vacant seat. This was uncomfortable to say the least and extremely disrespectful to the ten customers already on the bus. Incidentally the eleventh seat was not taken after an hour, when we departed the airport.
Patong beach; strewn with plastic rubbish, no litter bins in evidence, no sign the beach is cleaned at all, sea water quite dirty too, not at all inviting. 
My hotel which is under 50% occupied is a basic Thai3 star, it's comfortable and friendly, located in a quiet soi, back street, that is until the bars start their open air shows at decibel levels deafeningly, desperately loud, in one supposes a vain attempt to lure non existent tourists in.
Thankfully local laws now demand bars must cease noise pollution at 23.00hours.
To give a reflection of the situation, Bangla Road bars capable of seating 500 people are virtually devoid of customers.
It would appear Patong has priced itself out of the market. 
Prices are now on a par with Europe, while the standards, hygiene, health and safety are most definitely not !
Phuket is not an island I would wish to return to.
 
 
Both Samui and phuket are waaay past their prime and travelers I know that have been going to both for many years will never go back.
Silly thais will continue to ramp up prices to make up for the tourist short fall TIT

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