snoop1130 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Bangkok rises to 90th most costly location for expats: survey By The Nation Bangkok has risen 32 places and entered the top 100 most expensive locations for the first time, according to the latest cost of living survey published by ECD International. “Over the past five years, Bangkok has climbed more than 80 places. The Thai capital now sits in 90th place in our cost of living rankings. The baht has strengthened in recent years, as the economy has expanded and the political landscape has stabilised. “This means that Thai locations are now significantly more expensive for expat workers than they have been in the past,” Lee Quane, regional director – Asia, said on Monday. While Malaysian cities have seen big rises in the rankings, all three of the country’s surveyed locations still sit outside of the global top 150. Kuala Lumpur is the highest placed Malaysian city, having risen 24 places to 188th. Singapore has returned to the global top 20 most expensive locations for expats as the 18th most expensive city in the world for expatriate workers. Within Asia, Singapore is the ninth most expensive location. ECD International is a leading provider of knowledge, information and software for management and the assignment of employees around the world. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30360572 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-12-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Field Marshall Prayut wont be happy until he hits #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shady86 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The generals would be happy to hear this. Increase of cost of living means improvement in quality of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Better innovate new encouraging incentives on visa issues for expats and retirees (and their ca$h)...... because tourist numbers (and their money mainly) are going to take a serious fall on the short term and the expat$/retirees will shortly follow....Vietnam is just a jet away ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartender100 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Wheres the cheapest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 11 hours ago, snoop1130 said: and the political landscape has stabilised. that is military talk; 'we stabilized the political climate' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazySlipper Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 9 hours ago, shady86 said: The generals would be happy to hear this. Increase of cost of living means improvement in quality of life. Might help pay for the welfare state that will likely grow proportionately with the increase on rent for the poor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 When I do a Google search, I don't find any info re an international cities / expat cost of living survey done by ECD International. I do find a website for an ECD International firm, which appears to be a PR / communications consulting firm that is hired by client brands. https://www.ecd-international.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwinfc Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: When I do a Google search, I don't find any info re an international cities / expat cost of living survey done by ECD International. I do find a website for an ECD International firm, which appears to be a PR / communications consulting firm that is hired by client brands. https://www.ecd-international.com/ it's a boo-boo by the nation. it's actually ECA international. here's the link to the source material - https://www.eca-international.com/news/december-2018/hong-kong-now-the-most-expensive-location-in-east Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quandow Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Yet wages for foreign teachers have remained stagnant for over ten years, and in some ways has actually gone down due to cutbacks in pay raises. I don't see improvements happening any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReMarKable Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 hours ago, shady86 said: The generals would be happy to hear this. Increase of cost of living means improvement in quality of life. I always enjoy paying more for something than I did 5 years ago. Perhaps an increase in the cost of living just indicates greed and overcharging. The quality of Bangkok to me is the same as 10 years ago; cracked sidewalks, corrupt government, traffic congestion, pollution and walking past people without any peripheral vision who bump into others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungod Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Unless you insist on buying western products in places like Villa, still cheap to live here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, sungod said: Unless you insist on buying western products in places like Villa, still cheap to live here. If you like to leave by Western standards with good quality food, decent meat, good restaurants with real tables/cutlery and so on BKK is more expensive than Europe these days. Yes you can eat from foodcourts and streetfood which are cheaper but that;s for backpackers and taxidrivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, irwinfc said: it's a boo-boo by the nation. it's actually ECA international. here's the link to the source material - https://www.eca-international.com/news/december-2018/hong-kong-now-the-most-expensive-location-in-east Thanks for the cite re that info.. Stupid twits.... Meanwhile, when I look at the details of the survey on that website, I find some GLARING absences, intentionally, from their survey data -- things such as local rental prices, utility costs and school fees are NOT included in their data and thus their ranking. Because, according to their site, their data is used for helping develop corporate expense packages, and the other stuff like housing/utilities/school fees typically are included in a different compensation package. So, it would seem, best to take this data and its survey results with a HUGE grain of salt. And as usual, not only did The Nation get the company's name wrong, but they also neglected to elaborate on just what is and isn't reflected in the survey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 This type of survey is often contracted by multinational companies to create a level playing field for employees assigned to different locations, by way of a Goods and Services allowance in their package. It's therefore in the interest of those completing the survey for it to come out at the higher end - and thus be given a higher G&S allowance. For example, I have been asked to participate in similar surveys, in different locations, and, while not being dishonest about prices for goods and services, would certainly put the prices of those of the best quality, from more upmarket providers, rather than the local wet market / fast food joint / second hand clothes stall. (The type of items asked about are listed below (from the ECA website). Cost of living indices are used by ECA clients to calculate cost of living allowances for assignees. The survey covers: Food: Groceries; dairy produce; meat and fish; fresh fruit and vegetables Basic: Household goods; recreational goods; general services; leisure services General: Clothing; electrical goods; motoring; meals out; alcohol and tobacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Unless you are working there i cannot understand why any long term expats would want to live there it's okay for a visit,but to live, well not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, quandow said: Yet wages for foreign teachers have remained stagnant for over ten years, and in some ways has actually gone down due to cutbacks in pay raises. I don't see improvements happening any time soon. There has been no increase in the actual spendable income of the lower Thai class. It is almost impossible to live on 300 Baht per day which is the minimum wage with increased rent and utility costs. Even those that finish university are stuck with low entry wages. Couple this with the fact that 1% of the Thai elite control almost 70% of the wealth in Thailand does not auger well for the future. Expats on contracts from abroad can live well in Thailand as their home companies will adjust the salaries and living expenses. Thailand badly needs professional managers and technicians to make up for the problems in their education system- yet there are no incentives being given to relocate to Thailand. Local hire jobs for expats have fallen year after year because the Thai companies refuse to pay a reasonable salary for the expertise. Then there is the Visa hassle; the continual crackdowns which show Thailand in a bad light and the other negatives not found in other countries. The Thai Government and its bureaucracy really needs to look in the mirror and realize the truth about its country and where it wants to be in the next 10-30 years and have a National strategy to make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petedk Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 9 hours ago, quandow said: Yet wages for foreign teachers have remained stagnant for over ten years, and in some ways has actually gone down due to cutbacks in pay raises. I don't see improvements happening any time soon. No not ten years..... at least 20 ..nearly 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyFriend You Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 11:55 PM, bartender100 said: Wheres the cheapest? Ashgabat, Turkministan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT3k72Em Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 On 12/19/2018 at 6:24 PM, TunnelRat69 said: Ashgabat, Turkministan No, that's the most expensive. The cheapest is Tehran, Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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