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Why are you making us study English at a Thai university? complain students

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4 hours ago, webfact said:

The group complaining at Rajamangala University of Technology Lanna accepted that English was important but it should not be a requirement to study Thai courses.

I agree with them, this University is the lowest level of Thai higher education, they shouldn't have to learn a foreign language to enter.

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3 hours ago, Chippy151 said:

They may not win the case but they should at least get a medal of honor from the government.

you are correct, I heard they are giving away ""Stupidy"" medal of honor

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Re the student representative demand to drop English as an entry requirement, the University Governing Body might follow through on English being required in graduate employment by referring to course study objectives. Might be tricky. First, are English classes a part of the core curriculum for all students. Secondly, are any classes conducted in English. Thirdly, are any textbooks written in English part of course curriculum. Just number three would be sufficient to justify a minimum level of ability in English. 550 words probably not sufficient for the above. Students only possessing a minimum level could be sold additional support classes. Problem is, by drawing attention to this issue, the students might end up getting something rather different than they bargained for.

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35 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I agree with them, this University is the lowest level of Thai higher education, they shouldn't have to learn a foreign language to enter.

Interesting to compare with the UK where the majority of school leavers cannot even achieve a decent grade in their own language, never mind a foreign one. PS I wonder how many British bar-goers on Soi Buakhaow have a good grade in English Language GCSE? 

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4 hours ago, KiChakayan said:

550 words is <deleted> all. My 3 years old has more than that and she can translate Thai to English for me. It seems that these morons want to remain in their moronic isolation. Obviously no one has asked them what language they speak in Asean,  or the World.

 

Absolutely, of native speakers in the UK the average usable vocabulary on entering year 1 is 2150 words, these universites have set their requirment at a pre-K level of English, about the expectation of entry to early years foundation 1, which is aged 3.

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6 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

Since you ask, I speak very good Thai. I am not completely fluent, but not that far off it. Yesterday in the bank I was having a conversation with the staff, who wanted to know was I going home for the New year, and how often did I go there normally, which I handled in Thai without a hiccup. I can read and write it too. Again not perfectly, because I don't know all of the words yet. I didn't learn any of it to pass an exam. I did so, because I was capable of doing it, recognised its value and made the effort.

Given the world is a smaller place these days and people really wanting to get ahead appreciate the value of knowing other languages, I reiterate that those who are unable, or unwilling to learn at least a few basics, probably shouldn't be going to university anyway.

I commend you for speaking Thai. I do already too. But I disagree with you when they have to on an entrance exam. 

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5 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Absolutely, of native speakers in the UK the average usable vocabulary on entering year 1 is 2150 words, these universites have set their requirment at a pre-K level of English, about the expectation of entry to early years foundation 1, which is aged 3.

There is no exam which measures usable vocabulary per se as an entry test to UK universities. Nor do entry requirements reference native speakers. Entry requirements are set according to UK exams or equivalent. One might assume that all native speakers have 'passed' GCSE language, but the pressure on admissions systems uses 'equivalent' and other flexibilities to bypass supposed minimums. Dumbing down is not something special to the Thai educational system, but they do, on occasion, set some interesting standards. 

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5 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Interesting to compare with the UK where the majority of school leavers cannot even achieve a decent grade in their own language, never mind a foreign one. PS I wonder how many bar-goers on Soi Buakhaow have a good grade in English Language GCSE?

 

66.3% got a decent grade in English this year, a clear majority.  Foreign languages are no longer compulsary in the UK and only 43% took one at GCSE last year, but of those who took GCSE French 71% got a decent grade and of those who took German 74% got a decent grade, it would not be fair to assume that those who did not choose to take a foreign language could not have achieved a decent grade in one.

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Of course, in all probability, they have been given a good grade in all their previous English Exams, (parents paid), never actually turned in any homework or done any work in class with no sanctions (parents too influential) and have now run up against a barrier which they can't bypass

 

Yes, unfortunately the educational system (like in many underdeveloped countries) is face based. If a student is failed it has a domino effect, teacher looks bad, teachers boss looks bad and so on down the line. So when students are allowed to progress in English without actually learning (which the majority do) it all eventually catches up, in this case barring entrance to higher learning. I believe this school will find a path forward, allow them in and perpetuate the illusion that Thai kids are being taught well. You'd have to be very delusional here working as a teacher if you actually thought you were making a difference. 

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3 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

66.3% got a decent grade in English this year, a clear majority.  Foreign languages are no longer compulsary in the UK and only 43% took one at GCSE last year, but of those who took GCSE French 71% got a decent grade and of those who took German 74% got a decent grade, it would not be fair to assume that those who did not choose to take a foreign language could not have achieved a decent grade in one.

Yea but, yea it was only a 0.5% increase on last year.

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11 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

There is no exam which measures usable vocabulary per se as an entry test to UK universities. Nor do entry requirements reference native speakers. Entry requirements are set according to UK exams or equivalent. One might assume that all native speakers have 'passed' GCSE language, but the pressure on admissions systems uses 'equivalent' and other flexibilities to bypass supposed minimums. Dumbing down is not something special to the Thai educational system, but they do, on occasion, set some interesting standards. 

 

Of course university entry requirements reference native speakers, they require proof of English ability unless from a native speaking country.  IELTS, TOEFL.IBT and PTE Academic, the three most commonly accepted English proficiency tests for UK university entrance, all test usable vocabulary.

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