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MrPatrickThai

Alternatives to AA?

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I'm an alcoholic and got sober using the 12 steps of AA nearly 30 years ago in Thailand.

Now, I'm getting pretty tired of AA, perhaps due to where I live having few meetings and the ones they have seem to be full of people that are there just for the friendship.

So, I'm thinking of quitting AA and looking for an alternative to keeping me sober. 

Is it possible? I may have been brainwashed but have been told it isn't, and always believed that, until recently.

Has anyone here ever found a solution that is as good as AA?

How does one leave AA? I know there are requirements for membership, that are often ignored, but are there any requirements for leaving?

 

 

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Fellowship online - https://aa.org.au/meetings/online-aa-meetings/

30 years - you may be able to help lot's out there - that will keep you sober.

No join or leave requirement other than being an alcoholic.

 

BTW I am 22yrs 7 months 22 days sober - 1 day at a time - No meeting for past 20+  years. But I began online and remain online.

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I know many who have basically left AA, never going to meetings, but still call themselves a member.

 

Have you thought about the Hare Krishna movement? 

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Some people get quite agitated when you suggest that there are alternatives to AA. My personal story is of little interest but I managed to get off the juice after many years of heavy drinking when I looked around at my new family here in Thailand and saw how much depended on my staying alive for a few more years yet.

Knowing that you ought to stop and actually stopping are two different things. Getting there must be different from individual to individual. I just stopped completely for more than a year, now I occasionally take a small beer 3 - 4 times a week. 

Good luck mate, take your own advice.

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Well meetings may or may not having anything to do with AA. When the book was publish there was no such thing as an AA meeting. Yes there were nearly 100 people in 3 cities attending meetings that were not called AA. So when someone inquired about the book to learn how to stop drinking and get "recovered", they were instructed to do the first 11 steps and then go to into the their community to find someone who needed and wanted help. They were advised to go to hospitals and other places to find these drunks. Oh they did this because their life depended on it and the result was this became the highlight of their life. 

 

You get what you put it, and you have been bitching about AA for years and the result is your happiness. Its what you give not what you take. How about putting on "a new pair of glasses"

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I am researching retirement locations in Thailand recently.

My 1st criteria is good AA meetings.

All else is bound to burn if I drink, so it's prime.

 

I hear ya OP. AA has changed in the states - maybe around the world. But I always like going to Thai AA because it's not treatment center tainted. "Slipping is part of recovery" my arse. It may be part of a sound business plan if you're a treatment center needing return customers. New AAers don't want to hear what this boring 33 yr old timer has to say in recent years... different dynamic in the US.

 

So I rarely speak in AA anymore stateside, but always pipe right up in Thailand. I used to speak 7x/week in AA. Now I go several years only listening 99% of the time. I really don't have what they want. But I do have what I always wanted; a stable serene life in a loving marriage. I'm able to be a worker among workers and feel satisfied and content with what I've got.

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On 1/15/2019 at 11:49 AM, Wilson Smith said:

Well meetings may or may not having anything to do with AA. When the book was publish there was no such thing as an AA meeting. Yes there were nearly 100 people in 3 cities attending meetings that were not called AA. So when someone inquired about the book to learn how to stop drinking and get "recovered", they were instructed to do the first 11 steps and then go to into the their community to find someone who needed and wanted help. They were advised to go to hospitals and other places to find these drunks. Oh they did this because their life depended on it and the result was this became the highlight of their life. 

 

You get what you put it, and you have been bitching about AA for years and the result is your happiness. Its what you give not what you take. How about putting on "a new pair of glasses"

I won't ever quit the program of AA ( doing the steps ) but I have quit many meetings especially in and around Thailand because the meetings are just as you describe. The "Friends who don't drink get together and talk about whatever and sometimes not drinking" Fellowship. Too many meetings like that and frankly they call themselves AA but only a few people are really doing the program. They are just meeting makers and some of them may not even be alcoholics ( I actually know this to be true in a couple cases) Just hard drinkers who found friendship in AA .... this is actually very bad for real alcoholics who show up looking for help because many in these "meeting maker" meetings are NOT talking about how to recover by doing the 12 steps of AA.

 

Because of this I have started my own online meeting with Big Book enthusiasts who understand that to recover we have to practice the steps daily. (MESSAGE ME IF YOU WANT TO MEET WITH US) I don't wish to hang out with guys 30 years sober who have never worked the steps... yes there is a guy in AA around here that said that in a meeting not too long ago.  That guy doesn't have my problem. I could not go for anymore than 6 months using just only meetings. I finally had to do the steps with a sponsor ... then I got recovery.

 

So you don't have to quit AA. Just quit the meetings but still do 12 step work  ... hell if you are in Pattaya .. go out to some bars in the morning and sit down next to an akly who is putting his first drink down... The big book says to start of by just being friendly... then take it from there... you might have your self a sponsee if you do a good job at using the instructions outlined in "working with others' chapter.

 

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On 2/21/2019 at 12:41 AM, likerdup1 said:

I don't wish to hang out with guys 30 years sober who have never worked the steps... yes there is a guy in AA around here that said that in a meeting not too long ago

I went to meetings in Pattaya where the chairperson said you only have to do steps 1 and 12.

I was speaking to an old guy that many look up to and he told me he had never done a step 5. Unbelievable.

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On 2/21/2019 at 12:41 AM, likerdup1 said:

( I actually know this to be true in a couple cases) Just hard drinkers who found friendship in AA .... this is actually very bad for real alcoholics who show up looking for help because many in these "meeting maker" meetings are NOT talking about how to recover by doing the 12 steps of AA.

Amen. 

 

 

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