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I am sorry for all the guys that do not find living here enjoyable.    I had ups and downs for sure trying to find out how to have a good life here. Lots of challenges, good and bad experiences, all the things that make for an interesting life.   I do not blame thailand or the people one bit...because i still find

the people where i live to be friendly and kind and non-confrontational.  It all came down to ME, learning

what i wanted and how to adjust.  That is the same recipe anywhere in the world (wherever you go...there

you are).   To the entitled its all one blame game.  IF this and if that. 

When i want intellectual stimulation all i have to do is come to this forum.   I get all the confrontations i need right here .     oh yeah    happy new year

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Interesting post, and one could spend quite some time on the prognostications. I would put it quite simply. If they are able to oust the army, and get rid of incompetents like Prayuth, and find capable leaders who are able to at least marginally consider the interests of the people, things could improve. If not, the gross mismanagement, hyperbolic nationalism, total lack of vision, and extreme myopia will continue. And that is not going to be good for the nation, the people, or the ex-pats living here.

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15 hours ago, rumak said:

I am sorry for all the guys that do not find living here enjoyable.    I had ups and downs for sure trying to find out how to have a good life here. Lots of challenges, good and bad experiences, all the things that make for an interesting life.   I do not blame thailand or the people one bit...because i still find

the people where i live to be friendly and kind and non-confrontational.  It all came down to ME, learning

what i wanted and how to adjust.  That is the same recipe anywhere in the world (wherever you go...there

you are).   To the entitled its all one blame game.  IF this and if that. 

When i want intellectual stimulation all i have to do is come to this forum.   I get all the confrontations i need right here .     oh yeah    happy new year

It is not about being happy or not, but about other people, with power, letting you enjoy your happiness... or not! 

 

When such people seem hell bent on making your life more difficult (changing visa rules, making a specific kind of insurance mandatory...) with each passing year, they spoil your happiness and bring sadness.

 

For example, it is painful to see how Westerners are treated, compared with Chinese. 

 

Westerners have been here for decades, either staying or coming back year after year... many have become part of the "landscape". 

 

Then suddenly, there is a Chinese fad, like there was a Russian fad during the previous decade. 

 

And, mark my words, like the Russians, the Chinese will disappear someday, almost overnight, because such are the fads. 

 

Meanwhile, the always reliable Westerners will have been treated like s.. t! No special lines for them at the airport arrival... discrimination anyone? 

 

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2 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

It is not about being happy or not, but about other people, with power, letting you enjoy your happiness... or not! 

 

When such people seem hell bent on making your life more difficult (changing visa rules, making a specific kind of insurance mandatory...) with each passing year, they spoil your happiness and bring sadness.

 

For example, it is painful to see how Westerners are treated, compared with Chinese. 

 

Westerners have been here for decades, either staying or coming back year after year... many have become part of the "landscape". 

 

Then suddenly, there is a Chinese fad, like there was a Russian fad during the previous decade. 

 

And, mark my words, like the Russians, the Chinese will disappear someday, almost overnight, because such are the fads. 

 

Meanwhile, the always reliable Westerners will have been treated like s.. t! No special lines for them at the airport arrival... discrimination anyone? 

 

The Westerners left because their currencies crashed relative to the baht.  It is what it is.  Because a couple of embassies got lazy and decided to take longer breaks and do less work for the same money is not really Thailand's fault now is it?   The Russians left for the same reason money. 

 

I live here because I get more bang for my buck than Crackerville Florida.  If I get a better deal next week I'll be there.  Ho hum what's new?

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

It is not about being happy or not, but about other people, with power, letting you enjoy your happiness... or not! 

I wonder if anyone on TV ever gave much thought to how the average Thai sees us.

Driving around with our girls,   drinking beer,  laughing and carousing like the world was made

just for us.   Why do they think we're all rich?   Maybe cause a bus driver here makes like 12000 baht a month while retired farangs with similar backgrounds are driving SUVs and getting upwords to 100k a month in retirement.   IF YOU WERE THEM.....wouldn't you be just a little pissed off ?  Of course, they don't understand that once every 90 days we have to fill out a little form just to stay here. 

The world ain't fair :  but if it was you would all be a lot less happy !  

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1 hour ago, rumak said:

I wonder if anyone on TV ever gave much thought to how the average Thai sees us.

Driving around with our girls,   drinking beer,  laughing and carousing like the world was made

just for us.   Why do they think we're all rich?   Maybe cause a bus driver here makes like 12000 baht a month while retired farangs with similar backgrounds are driving SUVs and getting upwords to 100k a month in retirement.   IF YOU WERE THEM.....wouldn't you be just a little pissed off ?  Of course, they don't understand that once every 90 days we have to fill out a little form just to stay here. 

The world ain't fair :  but if it was you would all be a lot less happy !  

The average Thai doesn't live in Pattaya and similar places, and isn't witness to the horrors you describe.

 

Westerners in (real) Thailand are much more low key than their tourist traps' counterparts.

 

Meanwhile, the average Thai hasn't the sligtest idea of what a Westerner is making per month...in 20 years in the Land of Smiles, I haven't been asked once about my professional background, even less about my monthly income.

 

Finally, don't forget that 100,000 baht (3,000 dollars) is a lot here, but isn't that much back home once the all the mandatory deductions done.

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21 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

The average Thai doesn't live in Pattaya and similar places, and isn't witness to the horrors you describe.

 

Westerners in (real) Thailand are much more low key than their tourist traps' counterparts.

 

Meanwhile, the average Thai hasn't the sligtest idea of what a Westerner is making per month...in 20 years in the Land of Smiles, I haven't been asked once about my professional background, even less about my monthly income.

 

Finally, don't forget that 100,000 baht (3,000 dollars) is a lot here, but isn't that much back home once the all the mandatory deductions done.

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1.  horrors mostly in places like Pattaya, true.  BUT...my gf comes from a small poor village 30km from khon Kaen.   There are 8 nice homes built there by local girls who went to work in "restaurants" in Pattaya.

2. yes, true.   but when i make the odd trip out to CM....i usually witness some form of behavior by farang ranging from silly to arrogant.  I cringe but have learned to keep my mouth shut. I think the local thais

do the same.

3.The world has changed a lot.  Even small town folk have internet and know a lot more than before.

  True that they don't know exactly what westerners make.....but often someone will "know of" some farang who gets a large pension (and of course has built a large house) 

4. Of course the money is not a lot in Europe or the States.   THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE.  And that's why they feel superior to bash what they call the poor, illiterate thais .  Along with complaining about "all things thai".   In their home country they would be sitting home at night with the telly. And also want to say that many years ago when i would return to the States i was often treated at immig. with a level of disrespect that I have never encountered here.  The "interrogation" based on nothing more than my appearance and being single was sickening.  That was true discrimination.

 

summary:  there are IMO a minority of long term escapees from our homeland who have settled into fairly nice lives here.  Generally I think they are the best example of people that thais like.  The immig rules have changed a little, but over my 25 years here ....not much !  I think its a real bargain to pay not even a hundred dollars a year to be allowed to live here.  Yes, I need 800k in the bank   boohoohoo.  Is there any Western country you know of that will let people from any country  (over 50) go live there year round if they can put that equivalent in a bank acct ??   Before you mention the "hassles" of 90 day let me say that for me it is no big deal.  If it is a problem for some here than by all means look for a better alternative.    to quote Forrest Gump :  "and that's all i have to say about that "

Time to cut some grass..................

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6 minutes ago, rumak said:

friendly response :

1.  horrors mostly in places like Pattaya, true.  BUT...my gf comes from a small poor village 30km from khon Kaen.   There are 8 nice homes built there by local girls who went to work in "restaurants" in Pattaya.

2. yes, true.   but when i make the odd trip out to CM....i usually witness some form of behavior by farang ranging from silly to arrogant.  I cringe but have learned to keep my mouth shut. I think the local thais

do the same.

3.The world has changed a lot.  Even small town folk have internet and know a lot more than before.

  True that they don't know exactly what westerners make.....but often someone will "know of" some farang who gets a large pension (and of course has built a large house) 

4. Of course the money is not a lot in Europe or the States.   THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE.  And that's why they feel superior to bash what they call the poor, illiterate thais .  Along with complaining about "all things thai".   In their home country they would be sitting home at night with the telly. And also want to say that many years ago when i would return to the States i was often treated at immig. with a level of disrespect that I have never encountered here.  The "interrogation" based on nothing more than my appearance and being single was sickening.  That was true discrimination.

 

summary:  there are IMO a minority of long term escapees from our homeland who have settled into fairly nice lives here.  Generally I think they are the best example of people that thais like.  The immig rules have changed a little, but over my 25 years here ....not much !  I think its a real bargain to pay not even a hundred dollars a year to be allowed to live here.  Yes, I need 800k in the bank   boohoohoo.  Is there any Western country you know of that will let people from any country  (over 50) go live there year round if they can put that equivalent in a bank acct ??   Before you mention the "hassles" of 90 day let me say that for me it is no big deal.  If it is a problem for some here than by all means look for a better alternative.    to quote Forrest Gump :  "and that's all i have to say about that "

Time to cut some grass..................

20180622_173621 (1).jpg

I agree on most of what you say... 

 

When it's all said and done, Thailand still offers many advantages, even if they tend to shrink year after year. 

For example, when I open the TV newsletter and see the real estate ads, I am often left wondering... 

Not long ago, paying 100,000 baht per sqm was only for the ultra luxury condos in central Bangkok, but now it is commonplace everywhere... 

 

When it comes to the visa rules and requirements, the trouble is not so much in what they are, on paper, but in how they are adapted and interpreted from one place to another. 

 

When it comes to the 90 day report, one can wonder why, after so many years, it is still not possible to do it online... I mean, this is not that complicated!

Probably much less complicated than an airport control system, or the soon to come control of the high speed rail system. 

Foreigners do not live necessarily close to an immigration office... for me it is a more than 100 km roundtrip, plus a big city to cross because the office happens to be on the opposite side of where I come from. 

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1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

When it's all said and done, Thailand still offers many advantages, even if they tend to shrink year after year. 

I think its us that are beginning to shrink  (LOL).  Sounds like you, as I, are getting older and yes, things like this become more of a hassle.  For me,  I don't have any place else that would be better.  Actually, I also have a 100 km round trip for the 90 day.  Gets tiresome, but when i go i think of it as a day trip and do some shopping ( but i don't have a big city to cross).

Again, i do remind myself that I am lucky to live here , and finally, after many moves and adventures, just

enjoying the peace that is still available some places in Thailand.  Once one gets past the play (and pay) and maybe mistakes.... settling down is pretty good.  Long ago I lived in the boonies without TV or internet... now that was tough.  So some things are better.

My daughter lives in Canada........40 bucks for a simple meal out.  Three hundred to take out a wisdom tooth,

Ouch!   Now that hurts.

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