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How about Vietnam?

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There is a lot of talk these days about the future for Westerners in Thailand, especially those who are not multimillionaires.

 

So it may be wise to start looking around, just to be on the safe side.

 

I know Cambodia and Laos well enough to be sure that I wouldn't consider moving there, but I am wondering about Vietnam, notably Ho Chi Minh City and the Southern part.

 

How are things for foreigners over there (visa, banks and currency, healthcare, cost of life, security, and so on).

 

Your input is welcome...

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Hospitals are friendly and I understand many patients share beds.  Most of the tests are sent to Singapore to be processed I believe.  I would not want to get sick in Vietnam. 

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4 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Hospitals are friendly and I understand many patients share beds.  Most of the tests are sent to Singapore to be processed I believe.  I would not want to get sick in Vietnam. 

I doubt that's true.

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Vietnam is less developed than Thailand (Hospitals not as good, public transport less developed, not as many shopping centers...), has a higher theft rate, cost of living is higher, and in my opinion Thai food is way better. I've never heard of serious problems with banking from my vietnamese ex GF, so i assume it's ok, but no personal experience dealing with banks there.

So most Things in Thailand are better, only the visa situation in Vietnam is better.

 

Of course Vietnam also has interesting things, and not everything is bad, and i would definitely not mind staying in Vietnam for a few months, or even a year, but if you want to choose either Thailand or Vietnam, Thailand clearly wins

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19 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Vietnam is less developed than Thailand (Hospitals not as good, public transport less developed,

You're wrong about public transport.

I travelled everywhere in HCMC on the bus, and there was an app for my smartphone, which showed me where all the busses were, and the bus stops, and where they were going, all at a really cheap price (including the airport).

 

Cost of living was the same or cheaper, pound Vs dong didn't change much with Brexit, so it's moved 20% cheaper than Thailand in the last two years. Beer is half the price, hookers are double the price.

 

@OP

Me and my pals all loved HCMC, and the nearby beach resort Vung Tau.

I was coming out to Thailand after 2 years in the UK, my pals said we're all in HCMC, so I did a 2 week stopover before Thailand (April 2018). Watch out for the girls though, much more aggressive than Pattaya, if you sat still for more than 10 minutes in a public place (park, bar, restaurant, coffee shop), one would approach, I was tempted many times, but a bit too old for those games now. They all spoke really good English, none of this 'my friend you' malarky.

 

Who the f$#% cares about hospitals? I avoid them whenever possible.

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16 minutes ago, scorecard said:

I doubt that's true.

+1...there's the FV Hospital and the SOS international medical clinic in HCMC both offering a western standard of medical care and with their own lab facilities...but they aren't cheap...useta be mostly french medics at the FV hosp 10 years ago...

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You're wrong about public transport.

I travelled everywhere in HCMC on the bus, and there was an app for my smartphone, which showed me where all the busses were, and the bus stops, and where they were going, all at a really cheap price (including the airport).

 

Cost of living was the same or cheaper, pound Vs dong didn't change much with Brexit, so it's moved 20% cheaper than Thailand in the last two years. Beer is half the price, hookers are double the price.

 

@OP

Me and my pals all loved HCMC, and the nearby beach resort Vung Tau.

I was coming out to Thailand after 2 years in the UK, my pals said we're all in HCMC, so I did a 2 week stopover before Thailand (April 2018). Watch out for the girls though, much more aggressive than Pattaya, if you sat still for more than 10 minutes in a public place (park, bar, restaurant, coffee shop), one would approach, I was tempted many times, but a bit too old for those games now. They all spoke really good English, none of this 'my friend you' malarky.

 

Who the f$#% cares about hospitals? I avoid them whenever possible.

 

"...Watch out for the girls though, much more aggressive than Pattaya, if you sat still for more than 10 minutes in a public place (park, bar, restaurant, coffee shop), one would approach..."

 

What rubbish. Yes there are girls looking for men / money, but that's true in every country, nothing more / nothing less. And way way less than in Pattaya. 

 

I've visited HCMC, Hanoi and VT twice a year (all 3 locations) every year for the past 12 years), I have never once been approached. 

 

In terms of development, the Vietnamese education system is way ahead of Thailand and is based on the Singapore model, there's massive development / re-development of infrastructure, airports are well designed and highly efficient, Visa systems are ahead of Thailand. Trains and bus systems continue to improve. Overall there is respect for the law, way ahead of Thailand.

 

 

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People say the visa situation is better but I've yet to be convinced on that. There is no actual retirement visa, so you need to play games, right? Also I would predict that eventually if they have an actual retirement visa it will higher financial level than Thailand because Vietnam is becoming a more successful nation than Thailand. 

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

People say the visa situation is better but I've yet to be convinced on that. There is no actual retirement visa, so you need to play games, right? Also I would predict that eventually if they have an actual retirement visa it will higher financial level than Thailand because Vietnam is becoming a more successful nation than Thailand. 

"... because Vietnam is becoming a more successful nation than Thailand."

 

Agree. 

 

 

 

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Vietnam over LOS any day of the week.  If you think Thai food is more tasty, go to a Thai restaurant.  A flight to Thailand (for a good time) from Vietnam is a few bucks.  Their chaos is more refined and a noticeable, higher level of respect across the board.  Great soi vendors (food, products, etc...same-same), shopping malls, markets, half decent train system, chaotic (but safe) traffic.....I like it.

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5 minutes ago, CanuckThai said:

Vietnam over LOS any day of the week.  If you think Thai food is more tasty, go to a Thai restaurant.  A flight to Thailand (for a good time) from Vietnam is a few bucks.  Their chaos is more refined and a noticeable, higher level of respect across the board.  Great soi vendors (food, products, etc...same-same), shopping malls, markets, half decent train system, chaotic (but safe) traffic.....I like it.

 

 

Beaches are good as well.

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Sadly Thailand went down the crapper a long time ago.....all the points you mentioned are available and of course will progress just as Thailand has over the years. The main point for me is the total dislike of Foreigners here from the top echelons of government down to somchai taxi guy, so having to queue at the bank once in while in a friendly environment far outweighs the daily drudge of having to deal with retards that throw their dummy out the pram at the least little thing

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2 hours ago, tutsiwarrior said:

+1...there's the FV Hospital and the SOS international medical clinic in HCMC both offering a western standard of medical care and with their own lab facilities...but they aren't cheap...useta be mostly french medics at the FV hosp 10 years ago...

 

International Living magazine gave Thailand a score of 89 in the Health Care component, putting it in the top ten highest-rated countries for health care out of the 24 nations surveyed; Vietnam scored 78, which means it ranked 21st out of the 24 countries.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/111015/thailand-vs-vietnam-which-better-retirees.asp

 

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1 hour ago, scorecard said:

"... because Vietnam is becoming a more successful nation than Thailand."

 

Agree.

Per capita GDP is 300% greater in Thailand.  $2,303  vs $6,663.  Vietnam is not in the same league.  Vietnam has 23 vehicles per 1000 people Thailand has 225.  It is like comparing the stone age to modernity. 

 

https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/vietnam/thailand?sc=XE15

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