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BANGKOK 21 March 2019 06:55
Jonathan Fairfield

Thai immigration reveals new requirements for retirement, marriage extensions (visas)

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4 hours ago, balo said:

If you live in Chonburi / Bangkok , all you have to do is to find an agent , pay the 15k fee and you're good for another year. 

 

No need to transfer any money , so easy , so simple and it will never go away , because Thais love the money. 

 

Still we have 64 pages here of confused people. 

 

 

 

 

 

What? only Bt15,000 in Bangkok why where I live (south of Bangkok) they want Bt25,000 but I don't need their service and bartering is not required by me.  May I suggest that at least 33% of Retirement Viza applicants have been using this corrupt method for a long time to get the visa together with false statements with incorrect information.  It seems that all this has been tolerated for a long time and is about to stop.  "maybe".

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8 minutes ago, slappy said:

My question is: Can you use your income from within Thailand and also transferring some from England, to be above the 40,000 threshold OR has the 40,000 to be totally come from outside Thailand.

That depends upon the office you apply at. Some will state all the income has to be from working while others might allow you to use a foreign income with it as well.

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Based on my reading that "evidence of average monthly income of B65,000 is required", the requirements are quite simple. There is no mention that the evidence has to be deposits in a Thai Bank.  Seems to me that credible evidence in the form of deposits at a bank one's home country will suffice.  

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2 minutes ago, mzep said:

Based on my reading that "evidence of average monthly income of B65,000 is required", the requirements are quite simple. There is no mention that the evidence has to be deposits in a Thai Bank.  Seems to me that credible evidence in the form of deposits at a bank one's home country will suffice.  

Your reading of it is wrong. I suggest you read the full translation of it in the other topic.

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5 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Agent users still have to provide the documents the TI wants.

Some, but a lot fewer of them - no checking of the bank-book for seasoning on the 800K being the kicker.

 

4 hours ago, David Walden said:

I see part of the problem up till now is that even the banks and reputable Thai legal firms have got into bed with the scammers by providing false statements and bank books stating the required funds have been in a bank for the required time, but in fact the Bt800,000 may only be in that bank book for a few hours and I suppose for a fee. 

Correct on the fee - but no "fake docs" are needed.  The IOs just "forget" to check or "waive" the seasoning.  The head-guy said (press interview) that the IOs are "fooled" by agents into thinking the money belongs to the applicant.  We must suppose this is accomplished by some form of Jedi Mind-Trick to keep them from checking the seasoning on agent-submitted applications.

 

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Well the guys that were already cheating can continue cheating using an agent.
Why should the guys that haven’t been cheating cough up an extra 23K?

The issue is the ones who weren't cheating, and had the required gross-income (as stated in their embassy-letter), but not a net-surplus of 65K they can TRANSFER here every month. 

 

The scammers can just pay an agent 15K Baht - as always, and as immigration prefers - and be done with it.  As a bonus, they are rewarded by immigration by not only getting to skip the required financials, but also skip TM-30 reporting, home-visits, various-pictures (may change every year), maps, possible-interrogation about the source of their legit funds, etc.

 

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

So you think a country should allow anyone that can scrape up 25k to stay in the country for a year?

It's reported to be only 15K / yr via agents on Soi Bukow Rd, Pattaya.  But instead of that money doing some good, it lines a few pockets.

 

BTW, Cambodia runs about 10K/yr.  The PI is similar, when you factor in paying for in-country Tourist-extensions and the ID card - but maybe a bit less, since you can extend a single tourist-entry for 3 full years now. 

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5 hours ago, OJAS said:

But, as others have said, quarterly transfers will not, in all probability, be deemed acceptable by Immigration. Monthly transfers will, in these circumstances, be the strict order of the day.

To the extent a tax-risk exists, it existed before.  If you have income that would be taxable in Thailand, you need to hold it outside Thailand for a year before bringing it in, to avoid it being taxable.  This requires a "buffer" equal to 12 monthly payments of the minimum required income, to qualify under the new income-method. 

 

That buffer may be larger for many who do not need/want to spend 65K per-month to live in Thailand.  In fact, that amount of overhead would defeat one of the reasons for living here in the first place.

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1 hour ago, holy cow cm said:

Hi UBJ... Honestly this does not include the 800k or 400k anymore just being straight in the bank. How do you read that it is business as usual? Godfathered for expats who use that method and then for monthly methods not applicable 

This is not the first time that the Immigration Bureau has issued an internal instruction regarding exclusively the documentary requirement for the evidence of income used for an application of extension of stay. On 29 May 2013 ,  Pol. Maj. Gen Preecha Thimamontri, Deputy Commissioner, issued the Immigration Memorandum (บันทึกข้อความ) No. 20029.171/ว 2248 specifying the validity period of the so-called embassy letter, without abrogating the option of using money in the bank to fulfill the financial requirement for such type of extension.

 

Please note that the aforementioned Memorandum No. 20029.171/ว 2248 makes reference to the earlier Memorandum No. 0029-171/ว1712 dated 22 April 2013, for which I have no link and which I suspect was about the requirement of the embassy letter.

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It might be about time that this thread concluded.  Almost every post is the same subject, maybe a thousand in the last 24 hrs.  i.e.  "I haven't got the required money how do I get it?"  There are more ways of getting it than just putting money Bt800,000 or the Bt65,000P/M in a Thai bank a/c.  Try the combo method.  This thread should include information on how to provide the requirements and how to go about managing your funds and hoping that Thai Immigration is consistent when making applications for retirement visas at different branches or from your home country. 

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53 minutes ago, David Walden said:

May I suggest that at least 33% of Retirement Viza applicants have been using this corrupt method for a long time to get the visa together with false statements with incorrect information.  It seems that all this has been tolerated for a long time and is about to stop.  "maybe".

Well, it's all about the seasoning in the bank account.  

 

The agents will borrow you 800k, everything is legal and official , your bankbook is updated, the money is really there , but not for long .

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

It's reported to be only 15K / yr via agents on Soi Bukow Rd, Pattaya. 

 

12,900 if you use the right agent.  

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