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Thai immigration reveals new requirements for retirement, marriage extensions (visas)

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We had a system that worked. Expats were happy with it. Most immigration officers were happy with it. Everybody knew how things happened and what to expect, for the most part. Getting an extension was at most a two day process. Go the embassy for the letter one day. Go to Chaeng Wattana the next. About an hour spent at the embassy. Only 40 minutes spent at Chaeng Wattana last time. Now? Who knows? There will not only be "interpretations" of the new rules but areas of compliance missed or forgotten about in the new regs. You're already seeing it with "monthly" versus "average," BOTH of which are in the original statements in the OP. That is, the implication you must make a deposit each specific month AND the mention of an average. Why mess with what worked?

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why would any normal person retire here anyway.... Luckily i have lived here for decades still too young to be officially retired but basically retired since 30. Probably in the next 10years or so we will move to my home country. Even things out a bit by taking the value back out of Thailand. Seems too strict and getting more so but when you put bad organization, corruption and greed in the mix im guessing 65k per month could be far better spent elsewhere. Foreign values are way to low to bother here.

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Well if this translation turns out to be correct then it is very bad news for myself and presumably many others like me.  Previously, having received an extension based on marriage that was granted with the support of an Embassy letter confirming my pensions income. I have/had insufficient funds to deposit 400,000 into a Thai bank, hence the income route.

 

My combined pension at Septembers exchange rate just scrapped in at 492,630 THB per annum.  Now it is less than that and who knows what it will be come next September. If they now wish to only accept an inflow of 40,000 THB per month then no way will the 480,000 pa be attainable given the current rates of exchange predictions of the GBP v THB.

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Could you please post the link to the Thai language site from which the translation is taken? I would like to show it to my bank.

 

I plan to use the monthly income method. Problem is, I went to my bank yesterday for a six-month statement and certificate. Statement was no problem. I was told they only knew about certificates for the 800,000 deposit method. I showed them the rules at

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_22

but they simply did not have the knowledge (or the free rein?) to certify my monthly deposits.

 

The language in the OP is ambiguous on this point. First the cert is mentioned for the monthly income method, but later on, a measure of flexibility by Immigration is mentioned. I'm prepared to show 12 months of deposits of 65,000+, plus statements from my two pension sources, but my hands are tied where my bank can't certify those regular deposits.

 

This is a fairly specific question, and I have stated it precisely. If you're qualified to answer it, I humbly ask that you read my question carefully. Clarification on this point would be appreciated.

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If this report is correct, it makes more sense than a post yesterday suggesting need to show transfer of funds EVERY month to your Thai Bank Account. This information simply states "....from 2020 applicants will need to make sure they are able to show a full 12 months worth of income coming to a Thai bank account." with no requirement to transfer funds every month!! That would have been expensive & a pain in the Butt!! Currently, receive income both monthly & 1/4ly, so usually transfer each 1/4.... Simple!!

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1 hour ago, colinneil said:

Why would i have a problem?

I have 800.000 baht in the bank for my annual extension.

I have never used the income method for my annual extension.

But you did make it sound like you were using your 13 week pension payment for your retirement extension which confused sfokevin, and myself.

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29 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Well it will not suit everybody ( never do ), but it seems that T. I. is amending their directives in order that also people of the 4 embassies will be able to find a way other than the 400/800000 one and other than the Embasy letter.

So in the future 3 letters instead of 2 :

Letter from an Embassy/consulate ( for countries other than the 4 )

Letter from a Thai bank ( 400/800000 )

Letter from a Thai bank ( monthly transfers )

 

Rather positive in my opinion.

Can I make it a combo of the three? 

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49 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I think pension is probably the best wording for what it states in Thai. Some words or phrases are difficult to translate exactly. Even the word pension can mean more than one thing. In some languages and countries per diem or a living allowance is called a pension.

I agree with @ubonjoe. It is not always possible to translate the Thai police order into an exact English language lawyer written document. I cannot read or write Thai language but I believe it's based on Pali and/or Sanskrit where there are no spaces between words and no strict subject/verb grammatical order. Scholars are still as of now trying to interpret ancient Pali/Sanskrit.

But it leads to different interpretation by IOs and when they communicate with native english speakers. As pension (as we understand in the West) was never meant to be a requirement for extension, I think that will stand.

Nothing changes as it was before except how the TI will verify "monthly income" for those countries whose embassies have threw their citizens under the bus.

Kudos to TI to accommodate these genetic lottery winners into Thailand by devising a new path of depositing money every month into their account. If the can't, they can always resort to agents. I agree that before they could cheat by paying $50 to their countries's coffers and now you have to cheat by sharing the some of your money with the agents and TIs

And don't forget it is still a police state where the meaning of true democracy and the rule of laws will take years to get into people's head.
 

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