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Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum: poll

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11 hours ago, OneEyedPie said:

We had pollsters predicting remain last time and they got it wrong.

Great ... so all Brexiteers on here will welcome that vote if the government's flagship policy fails?

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6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So the democratic process came to a shuddering halt on the morning of the referendum result?!

 

Of course it did not.

 

You are afraid of the now better informed electorate.

Whilst none of them will admit, with their posturing on here, I detect a realisation that we are heading for a second vote ... and the end of their Brexit dream. A democratic vote on the facts on the table, a more informed electorate, and a young demographic that has woken up to the threat to their life options. 

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35 minutes ago, tebee said:

There is an interesting little fact that has emerged today. The Conservatives went into the 2005 election pledging a referendum on whether or not to scrap the Welsh Assembly, obviously *not* accepting the 1997 referendum result which had created it.

 

Recorded in Hansard are Theresa May's own votes against the Government of Wales Bill, after the 1997 referendum where she says 'the result was accepted by both sides. Other Tories voting against the Welsh Assembly after the referendum with Theresa May included Liam Fox, John Redwood, Bill Cash, Bernard Jenkin.

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1997-12-09/debates/fa23a114-bdf4-4320-a117-cc8e728c195a/GovernmentOfWalesBill#contribution-7ac190a7-939e-4816-bac9-15ff70bca1f1

 

Also, the Prime Minister and other Brexiters voting against setting up the *Scottish parliament* before implementing that 1997 referendum result, despite a much bigger vote in favour.

 

Referendums only become binding when it suites politicians.

so, the PM has a record as an oppressor?

 

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5 hours ago, GarryP said:

So now that the US electorate is better informed about muggins and what it means to have him as POTUS, they should hold a new election now? It doesn't work like that does it? 

You made the point, without realising it! The US electorate can change their mind. And are highly likely to do so. 

 

The argument on here from some is that we are not allowed to, that democracy is a stopped clock. 

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4 hours ago, vogie said:

Carrying on the Welsh theme, here is the Cardiff City manager giving his very eloquent opinion.

 

 

 

Another one who won't bear the brunt of Brexit ... and not much going on upstairs.

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53 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Whilst none of them will admit, with their posturing on here, I detect a realisation that we are heading for a second vote ... and the end of their Brexit dream. A democratic vote on the facts on the table, a more informed electorate, and a young demographic that has woken up to the threat to their life options. 

I detect? Like Clouseau? "Do I detect something in your voice that says I am in disfavor with you?"

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51 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Another one who won't bear the brunt of Brexit ... and not much going on upstairs.

Now a brain surgeon too! You are clever.

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3 hours ago, Spidey said:

So all elections have a fixed length? No, if you can hold a general election months apart, you can hold a referendum almost 3 years apart. Unless you are frightened of getting the "wrong" result, of course.

But surely you should implement the decision of the first vote, before holding a 2nd vote, otherwise people could be forgiven in thinking your a bad loser, who selfishly only wants Their way.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The US electorate can change their minds AFTER his term of office. You are requesting another vote BEFORE we have enacted the results of the first vote. Surely even a blinkered Remainer can see the difference. 

 

You are welcome to push for a second referendum after we have left.

 

Why should Leavers accept the result of a second referendum when you cannot accept the result of the first? Why should we believe you'd accept defeat the second time when you couldn't handle it the first?

It could go on forever. Best of 3. Best of 5. Best of 7. Unless as I suspect you just want to stop voting as soon as Remain finally wins one of the votes. I guess that is your version of Democracy.  

I’m okay with accepting May’s deal, I can at least reconcile May’s deal with what people campaigned for ... control of immigration, no contribution to EU, and a transition agreement, etc. But the most important part for me is that we would leave with a transition deal, a leave that would minimise the economic impact. 

 

What some Brexiteers are trying to engineer is an off the cliff Brexit with no transition straight onto WTO terms. Not one of them campaigned for that ... no prominent Leave politician stated that as the outcome. So how can anybody claim that that outcome is what people voted for? Clearly it was not.

 

So I’m for a democratic vote on what people actually want, and that includes Remain. The vote did not give a minority of Tories carte blanche to ruin our economy. If they believe that was the voters intention they should not object to a second vote. The reason that they strongly object is because they know there is no support for it in the country.

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3 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Another one who won't bear the brunt of Brexit ... and not much going on upstairs.

at 70 years of age and a multi millionaire he can afford brexit and the damage it will bring,as could farage and bonking boris

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21 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Then it must be time to balance the trade deficit, which will never happen while we are part of the EU.

as if its going to happen with brexit,get real man,wages in the UK means we will never be producing country again,if we drop the minimum wage to £4.00 P/H and slash corporation tax then its possible,can you see this happening? i certainly cannot but you brexiteers do seem to dream up so weird scenario's,maybe it will happen,just when we thought we were going to be the new Singapore we end up being the new India,tommy robinson will be gutted,probably chin the wife again

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